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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

With regard to the relationship between your office and the Scottish Human Rights Commission, your office existed first and the Human Rights Commission came later. If we had already had a human rights commission, would we still have needed a children’s commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you for those answers. Just so that I and other members are clear, are you telling me that you could incorporate those roles but it would require your mandate being looked at? Are you telling me that, as it stands, you do not believe that the Scottish Human Rights Commission properly represents the views of disabled or older people?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is helpful, because I think that I now understand. In effect, you are telling me that the issue is capacity rather than powers. Is that correct?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, and welcome. The mandate that we have been given by the Finance and Public Administration Committee is to look at two broad areas. One is whether there are any gaps or overlaps in the work of existing commissioners. The other is the proposals that are in the pipeline, which you will be aware of, to create new commissioners.

I would like to explore those issues together, because there is obvious synergy between them. We have proposals in the pipeline for a commissioner for the disabled and a commissioner for older people, and we already have the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland. Is there any reason why the work that you are doing cannot encompass the work that is proposed to be done or that is already being done for sectional groups, as they might be called?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

As we all know, human rights are partly devolved and partly reserved. There is the Equality and Human Rights Commission, which is a United Kingdom body that has a Scotland office, and there is you—the Scottish Human Rights Commission. Is there a particular reason why we have two separate organisations in the same space?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

I think that you were in the room and heard the previous panel’s evidence. I will ask you exactly the same question that I asked the Scottish Human Rights Commission. For context, the committee’s remit is to look at the gaps and overlaps between existing commissioners and the case and criteria for establishing new ones. You will be familiar with a number of proposals that are in the pipeline for new commissioners. For example, there are proposals for new commissioners for the disabled and for older people. Given your role as the Children and Young People’s Commissioner, do you think that you could make any argument against there being another commissioner for either of those groups?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

We will shortly hear from the Children’s and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland. The SHRC obviously post-dates the creation of that office. If it had been the other way round, would we need a separate children’s commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Let me rephrase the question. Is there any general policy reason why, given your reach into all the various areas including disabled and older people, the work that you do on human rights could not also encompass children?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

With respect, I understand all that, but the committee has been established precisely because there is an appetite to revisit such questions, which is why I asked you that one. Let me try again. Is there any reason, in broad policy terms, why the work of the Scottish Human Rights Commission could not incorporate that of the children’s commissioner?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

I am sorry to interrupt, Paul, but you said that Mr McKee “made an attempt”. Are you actually seeing an improvement in outcomes?