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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Leon Thompson from UK Hospitality.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, cabinet secretary. Good morning, Dr Malik—it is nice to see you. Dr Malik and I shared a very interesting visit to Sidey, in Perth, for Scottish apprenticeship week. We might come back to that in a minute.

Cabinet secretary, in your opening remarks you talked about how the Government has built good, strong relationships with business. The deputy convener referenced the evidence that we got from Tony Rodgers, from Emtelle UK Ltd. Emtelle is a Scotland-headquartered manufacturing company with international operations employing hundreds of people. I will quote from the Official Report what he said to us.

“I have no interaction with the Scottish Government whatsoever. I had never heard of this new deal and had no idea about it. Quite frankly, when I have approached the Scottish Government, it has been very difficult, as a businessperson in Scotland, to make any sort of contact or inroads, or to make any kind of representation of a case.”—[Official Report, Economy and Fair Work Committee, 26 February 2025; c 2.]

That is a direct quote from what he told us. Does that suggest that there is still an issue? Emtelle is a business in the tech sector—a high-growth sector—that you would have thought should be precisely at the heart of what the Government is trying to do, yet Mr Rodgers told us that he has never even heard of the new deal.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Let me pick one more example. As I said, Dr Malik and I took part in an interesting visit during Scottish apprenticeship week. As part of that visit—and other visits that I and the committee took part in—the issue kept being raised with us that the apprenticeship levy is paid by businesses in Scotland but they do not see the value coming back from that compared to companies operating south of the border. Is that on your agenda, cabinet secretary?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Dr Malik, do you want to add anything?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

To be fair, Mr Rodgers told us that he would have welcomed engagement. Have you reached out to him?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

On that point, the Fraser of Allander Institute publishes a Scottish business monitor every year, and its most recent report, in October, told us that 9 per cent of those who responded agreed that the Scottish Government understands the business environment, whereas 62 per cent disagreed. The same survey, in October 2024, said that just 6 per cent of businesses believe that the Scottish Government engages effectively. That figure was down from 8 per cent the previous year, and there was a net figure of minus 62 per cent. That suggests that there is a gap in terms of people believing that the Government is engaging properly with businesses.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Go ahead.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

I asked about outputs. As you have taken hospitality as an example, what are the specific outputs in hospitality that the new deal for business has delivered?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

But the end point was the same in that MUP was still increased, which is not what the industry wanted.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning.

I will pick up on what Colin Smyth said, which is a good starting point. I want to follow up on the convener’s thread. You will have followed the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s discussions on the matter. The core of our work is to understand the role of commissioners and the gap that they are attempting to fill.

With a population of 5.5 million, Scotland is a relatively small country. We have 129 MSPs and 57 MPs, and we have 28 ministers and law officers, so we are not exactly undergoverned at the present time. What gap are commissioners filling? Is their existence simply an admission that the other current structures are not working properly? Is not there a better way to address the issue?

Given that we are relatively short of time, I will ask my second question at the same time. You have all made specific proposals, and there are other proposals out there that I have heard about. For example, it has been proposed that there should be a commissioner for individuals with autism—for the neurodiverse community. There will be a long list of other interest groups that believe that they should have a commissioner, too. Where do we stop? How many commissioners should we end up with—or are you simply saying, “I want my commissioner, and that’ll be it”?

Jeremy Balfour is smiling, so I will go to him first.