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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 November 2024
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Murdo Fraser

I am sure that other members of the panel want to come in on this issue, but I have two follow-up questions that relate to what you have just said.

You talked about the overall reduction in local government staff numbers. Do you have any sense of whether overall demand has gone up, gone down or stayed the same compared to the pre-Covid situation?

You mentioned that there was a need for other parts of the public sector to catch up in terms of reform. What parts are you talking about?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. Before I come to my main question, I want to ask Mary Morgan a follow-up question on the answer that she gave in response to the convener.

I am interested in the numbers that you quoted regarding the reduction in staff in relation to the vaccination programme and contact tracing. Should we—perish the thought—have a new wave of Covid, or a new variant of Covid, as we go into the winter, how practical and realistic would it be for you to staff up again to the numbers that we have seen previously? Do you think that that is going to be necessary? If it is, can you do that without pulling people back out of NHS front-line services, given the tightness of the labour market elsewhere?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Murdo Fraser

I put the same point to either of your public health colleagues, to see whether they have any comments on the impact on public health in the NHS, should the same thing occur.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Murdo Fraser

That is helpful, and leads me on neatly to the question that I was going to ask about public sector reform. The convener quoted from “Investing in Scotland’s Future: Resource Spending Review”, which is the background to all this. I will direct this question first to Richard Robinson from Audit Scotland—just so that you are aware, Richard; it is coming to you.

A couple of quotations from the RSR identify that there has been substantial growth in employment in the devolved public sector. The review states that

“continued growth of the public sector away from frontline services is not sustainable”.

It goes on to state that the Scottish Government recognises

“the need to reset the public sector following the COVID-19 pandemic, including by returning to a pre-pandemic size”.

From Audit Scotland’s perspective, how realistic is it to return the public sector to its pre-pandemic size? From a practical point of view, how quickly could that be done and what are the implications of that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Murdo Fraser

Would any of our NHS colleagues like to come in?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. That is very interesting.

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Murdo Fraser

Right. What is it, then?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Murdo Fraser

Very good. I am very impressed. [Laughter.]

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, minister and colleagues. There are a couple of issues that I would like to pursue.

Minister, at the start you talked about information here being easy to understand; I think that that was true of parts, but there were other parts with which we struggled. The Scottish Government early in the pandemic produced the FACTS acronym. I know that Jason Leitch will know what FACTS stands for, but I do not know many other people who do. Minister, do you know what FACTS stands for?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Murdo Fraser

I was going to ask you about what follow-up you have done, but you have already answered that question for me.

One of the other issues that we have looked at is trying to counter disinformation, which we were talking about earlier. To put that in context, we have all seen that the vaccination programme has been a great success—there is no doubt about it—but a segment of the population is still resistant to vaccination. When we see the segmentation, quite a lot of that is among particular ethnic minority groups. The Polish community is one example of a group that, for whatever reason, whether that be cultural reasons or something else, is resistant to taking up vaccination. Do you think that enough was done in terms of public health messaging to try to counter disinformation about the effect of vaccination?