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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

I have a question about the use of procurement to support local economies, which comes up time and again when we talk about procurement. There is a feeling that not enough is done within the system to ensure that the money is spent locally, particularly when it comes to things such as NHS boards and local authorities. I am interested to get your perspectives on that. Does the current legislative framework do enough to ensure that we direct funds to be spent locally? If there are barriers to that, is it an issue of legislation or simply an issue of practice?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

David, do you want to come in?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

Joanne Davidson and Colin Smith are both nodding. Joanne, do you have anything to add to that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

Have you noticed a reduction in bureaucracy since the 2014 act was passed?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

So that I am clear, are those late payments by public bodies, or by others in the supply chain?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, minister. I want to follow up on Mr Whittle’s point. First, I recognise that we are looking only at an instrument that specifies a list of public authorities, rather than at the substance of the 2020 act. However, I struggle with the issue of what the practical impact of the regulations will be. Can you give us an example of something that a public authority is not currently doing but that it will do in the future once the regulations are in place?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

That is helpful. It seems to me that public bodies should be doing that already, so, in effect, the regulations simply put into law something that should already be happening in practice.

I have one more specific question. I noticed that Transport Scotland is excluded from the list of bodies that are covered by the duty. What is the reason for that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. Perhaps I could follow up on Stacey Dingwall’s point about access for smaller businesses.

I am a veteran of the committee, having been a member of it in its various forms in previous sessions. I remember our discussions about procurement going back many years. We would hear businesses’ frustrations, in particular those of small businesses, which would always argue that they were not getting a fair slice of the cake from the public procurement process.

I am interested in your perspective on whether the following still happens. It always used to be the case that public bodies would, in effect, hide behind EU procurement rules. Of course, we are no longer in the EU, but I am interested to know whether that issue still exists. We are still bound by World Trade Organization procurement rules. Do those still present a barrier? Are small and medium-sized businesses still struggling to get a fair slice of the cake?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Murdo Fraser

I am sure that Brian Whittle, who is obsessed with the issue of local procurement, will follow up on those questions in due course.

I will go back to Stacey Dingwall with a slightly different question. Your submission talked about issues around prompt payment, particularly for second-tier or third-tier suppliers to contracts. How much is that still a problem, and what progress is being made towards resolving it, so that people are paid on time?