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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 January 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

Sorry: if they can find a dentist.

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Annual Reports

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

I echo your thanks to everybody who has contributed to the committee. I thank our clerking team, the Scottish Parliament information centre and all those who have helped us. I also thank you, convener. Your stint as convener has been a very short one, but you can put it on your CV for future reference that you convened a parliamentary committee, albeit for just a few weeks. Thank you for leading the committee in collegiate style.

I also thank our committee advisers, whom we have not seen for quite a long time, but who were initially regular attenders at the committee: Professor Peter Donnelly, Professor Susie Dunachie and Professor Helen Stagg. Members will recall that they came more or less on a weekly basis to give us updates at the height of the Covid pandemic, and their input was extremely useful to us. We should record our thanks to them. I do not know whether we are going to write to them formally to express our thanks, but I think that we should do so.

As a personal reflection, I was the first convener of the COVID-19 Committee in the previous session. If I remember rightly, the committee was established in May 2020, and here we are, just over three years later, bringing this particular journey to an end. I hope that that is an indication that Covid is behind us—and I hope that my saying so does not give a hostage to fortune.

Nevertheless, there are some very important lessons that we need to learn from Covid. A lot still needs to be done and put right, post-Covid, in the public sector and in public services, and I hope that the important work that the committee has been doing will be continued by other subject committees as we go into the next parliamentary year.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

Witnesses should not feel that they need to repeat what other people have said, but if anyone has anything to add, please come in.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

You have raised interesting points. Our committee is looking specifically at the impact of Covid, so I am interested in the extent to which that situation has happened because of Covid, or was it happening anyway?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

So you are not splitters.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

There are a lot more questions that I want to ask. On your last point specifically, Dr Bashir, you said that it would take more than two years to get rid of the backlog. I am interested in getting the perspectives of David McColl and Douglas Thain on that. I think that David took a much more pessimistic view on whether we will get rid of the backlog at all.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

Is that the view of all of you?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

Finally, will we clear the backlog without reform?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

I am just trying to work out what the relationship is between the three of you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

I just wanted to understand where everybody is, so that has been helpful.

Moving on to the substance of the inquiry, we are interested in looking at the impact that Covid has had on dental services across Scotland. The BDA’s written submission contains a striking statistic. It states:

“Dentistry has lost over half (52%) of its capacity since lockdown”.

My first question is for Mr McColl. How long will it take us to get back to where we were, if we ever do, and what needs to happen to ensure that we do?