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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

You sound quite dismissive.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Is the new deal for business not a means of connecting the Government to the very organisations that you are talking about? Do you think that it is not fulfilling that role?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I will ask this question of Colin Borland first, because he is a kind of veteran—if he does not mind my saying that—of the business space over a number of years.

In the past decade and more, we have seen countless relaunches, new initiatives, forums, working groups and resets come and go. Some have been set up with great fanfare but have then petered out. Is the new deal for business different from what has gone before? If so, how?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. I will bring in the other panel members.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is a helpful answer. I am going to ask a follow-up question and then will bring in other witnesses who want to comment.

I take it from what you are saying that we should judge the new deal on the basis of outcomes rather than inputs, so what is the new deal for business delivering that is actually different from what went before? We have just gone through a budget cycle and the committee has done budget scrutiny—for example, by looking at issues such as non-domestic rates, because support for retail, hospitality and leisure is stronger south of the border than it is in Scotland. We have looked at funding for the enterprise agencies and VisitScotland, and we have looked at employability schemes, which have seen a substantial real-terms cut in their funding in the past two years.

Can you point to specific outcomes that you think have been delivered because of the new deal for business and that would not otherwise have been delivered?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Okay, but the point that I am trying to get to and what the committee is trying to find out is whether the new deal for business has made a difference.

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I was very taken with what you said about your right to require information from bodies, including the Scottish Government. Opposition members of the Parliament will feel very jealous that you have that power and we do not, although my colleagues around the table who are former ministers might take a different view on that matter.

I want to ask about the setting of criteria for the creation of new supported bodies. One of the primary reasons why this committee was established was to look at the demands—as you know, there are a number of proposals in the parliamentary pipeline to establish new commissioners—and whether they would provide good value for money, given that the Finance and Public Administration Committee, in its report, came to conclusions about whether that would be an appropriate way to proceed with the public sector landscape.

I read your submission, in which you made some interesting comments around how the current criteria for creating new supported bodies might be enhanced, including the need for there to be a demonstrable gap in service or oversight. Will you explain how you think the criteria could be amended?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Please be so.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

That answer goes to the heart of why this committee has been established. Such issues are at the root of our discussions.

I want to ask about the specific example of the patient safety commissioner. This morning, when I was listening to “Good Morning Scotland” on the train, I learned that the latest round of recruitment—the second attempt to recruit someone to be the patient safety commissioner—has been unsuccessful. I am a bit surprised by that, because it sounds like a very attractive salary and package, but apparently the recruitment has not worked. Even though someone was identified through the process and offered the position, they turned it down, for whatever reason, so the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body will have to look again. Clearly, there is an issue.

The FPA Committee suggested that, if the existing criteria had been properly followed, a patient safety commissioner would not, in fact, have been established. It suggested that such a commissioner could have sat in your office with the SPSO. I am interested in your thoughts on whether your office could have accommodated that, rather than a new office being created, given that we cannot even find someone to do the job.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is interesting. As you are stepping down as the SPSO, did you think about applying for the job yourself?