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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Murdo Fraser

Everybody has referenced costs. I want to ask a bit more about the costs in the climate change plan, because it is a statutory requirement that the plan must set out an estimate of the costs and benefits associated with the policies, broken down by reference to the period covered by a Scottish carbon budget in which those costs and benefits are expected to rise. The legislation is quite clear as to what the plan should say about costs and benefits. Does anybody have a view on whether the plan that has been published adequately addresses that? Paul de Leeuw, you are smiling.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Murdo Fraser

Karen Turner is nodding away. Do you want to add to that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. Maybe I could turn to Stacey Dingwall and David Thomson, who are representing industries. I imagine that your members want to do the right thing. They want to decarbonise to help the planet and reduce costs. Do your members have a sense of how they will be able to afford to pay for that and who will help them do it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Murdo Fraser

Good morning to the panel. Before I ask about the issue of costs in more detail, I want to pick up one point that arose from Lorna Slater’s questioning, particularly when Richard Woolley mentioned the chemical industry.

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I represent Mid Scotland and Fife. Twenty-five years ago, paper making was a very large part of the local economy in Fife. There were large companies such as Tullis Russell in Glenrothes, which was a major employer. Those have all gone now, and they have gone because of high energy costs. Just as Richard Woolley referenced for the chemical industry, we have seen the same in steel making, metals and other industrial sectors. We have not stopped using those items: we have not stopped using paper, metals or chemicals. All that we do now is import those components from other countries, so the net emissions from those industries have not gone down. We have made ourselves look good, because our emissions have reduced, but all that we have done is export them to other countries, and we have lost the jobs and the investment that came with those industries.

Can somebody explain to me what the benefit is of exporting our carbon emissions to other economies if we are still using the products? Lorna Slater was talking about large emitters. We could get rid of large emitters tomorrow and just close them down. That would make us look good and it would reduce our emissions, but it would not do anything for the planet or for our economy. Does anybody want to disagree with me?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Murdo Fraser

I want to press you on that a little.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Murdo Fraser

Okay. Can I ask you to expand on that? You say that you want “something” to protect them. What more do you have in mind?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Murdo Fraser

Indeed. Otherwise, we rely on the court to decide whether wilful stupidity counts as good faith or not.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Murdo Fraser

When you say “legislative guidance”, what do you have in mind?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to touch on a slightly different topic: the issue of trading in digital assets, including, in particular, the protections in the bill for acquirers in good faith. I would be interested in hearing any thoughts that you have on, first, the principle that acquirers in good faith get a protection that, clearly, acts to the disadvantage of the original owner of the asset and, secondly, whether the definition of “good faith” in the bill is sufficient. Who would like to start?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Murdo Fraser

The bill covers good faith, but there is no mention of due diligence. Is the implication, then, that good faith means that the buyer has to do due diligence?