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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Appointment of the Chair of Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

You mentioned in your opening contribution that you thought that ESS had been doing well since it was established. What do you think it has been doing well, and not doing well, during your time on the board?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay. I will take that as you being open to persuasion on the possible timeframe.

I turn to the way in which land management plans are to be taken forward and who is to take them forward. As the bill stands, the land management plans are intended only for pieces of land of more than 3,000 hectares, and that is limited to single, composite and contiguous holdings.

The cabinet secretary will be well aware of the significant commercial holdings of land that are owned by companies and that are all under the threshold, although in some cases those companies are in the top five landholders in Scotland. They would be left out. They would not be covered by the existing definition of how land management plans should be applied. Has any thought been given to including aggregated or corporate holdings in a way that would allow us to make sure that we are capturing what are very significant landholders who, because of the nature of the parcel of land that they own, fall under the threshold for a land management plan?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

I do not understand why we cannot spell out in the bill what will be considered in the public interest test duty. Why can we not do that? We do it in other legislation, do we not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Before he does, why is it not necessary to put the test in this bill, but it was necessary in other legislation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Let us take a step back, please, because I do not think that that was a helpful response.

Can you explain why the bill should be treated differently from other pieces of legislation in which we have specified the public interest test, if the intention is for the transfer provisions in the bill—the transfer test—to be a public interest test? What prohibits us from doing that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

If, however, we wanted to introduce additional measures alongside that, they could be put on a statutory footing in the bill.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

I think that we have got the point.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

The bill will establish a land and communities commissioner. Why not just vest the powers that are intended for the new commissioner in the Land Commission’s existing commissioners?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

The recommendation is not to fetter the new commissioner’s powers but to require them to consult the other commissioners on recommendations and on investigations that they undertake.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

The policy memorandum suggests that the cost of a land management plan is likely to be around £20,000, although the committee has had some evidence to suggest that it could be as high as £70,000. Can you give us an insight into how you arrived at the figure of £20,000 for a land management plan and your thinking about the potential for land management plans to be significantly more expensive than what has been set out in the policy document?