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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michael Matheson

My understanding of trying to manage land is that it is done over a long period of time. By its very nature, it is much more efficient and effective to do it that way. For example, forestry plans are for 15 or 20 years, and so on. Long-term plans therefore make more sense.

However, if you commit to the idea of long-term plans, consistency of approach is needed over a long period of time, which means that, if land changes hands or the land use changes, which changes the plan, that undermines the purpose of doing it over a longer period of time.

I hear the concerns about the cost that might be associated with that, which is why I am wondering whether making the plan for a longer period of time, while ensuring that the obligations that are set out in that plan are carried forward by anyone who takes over the land while the plan is being implemented, would help to improve land management in the long term and reduce some of the regulatory burden that it might create.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michael Matheson

You might not want obligations, but some people might.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michael Matheson

I think that you are confused about what I am trying to get at. Perhaps it is the way in which I have phrased it to you. When I use the term “obligation”, you seem to be thinking about it from a legal perspective—that is, being legally liable to ensure that something is implemented. What I am trying to understand is whether you are clear about what a land management plan is, what it is there to achieve, how much value it has in the long term, whether there is a requirement for the plan to be taken forward and, if it is not taken forward, what the implications of that are. After all, the danger is that, if we do not get the four or five criteria correct, it becomes a futile process.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michael Matheson

What do you mean by “managed as a whole”?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michael Matheson

What if you were the third-largest landholder or owner in Scotland but each of the individual sites that you owned did not trigger the threshold for a land management plan? Should such a landholder or owner be responsible for bringing forward a land management plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michael Matheson

I understand the point about transparency. However, what value does that have for the neighbouring community, which might agree with what is set out in the land management plan? They might think, “That has been really helpful. We’ve had a really good consultation exercise, and we agree with what has been set out.” The plan gets published, and people say that it is really good, but what happens if the land gets sold two years later and the new owner just rips the plan up? That is what I am trying to understand. You could go through a consultation exercise, engage with the community and produce a plan, and then you could quite literally just ignore it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michael Matheson

Good morning. The good news is that I will stick with land management plans; the bad news is that I want to go back to basics. I put the same question to each of the witnesses. What is your understanding of the purpose of a land management plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michael Matheson

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Michael Matheson

My final question is on the use of EORs. If the UK Government is keen on a UK-wide regime for the use of EORs, what scope is there for ministers to resist that and prevent it from happening in Scotland? Could you take a completely different approach? That goes back to my previous question. If the Scottish Government does not take the approach that the UK Government wants, the UK Government could ultimately decide to overrule the way in which regulations are being exercised. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Michael Matheson

Okay—thanks.