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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

Good morning. I want to consider the issue of procurement policy. The circular economy strategy is an important part of being able to achieve the ambitions in the draft climate change plan to reduce emissions from waste. I would be interested in getting your views on how we could adapt or change our public procurement policy in a way that would help to strengthen the circular economy in order to support its development. Are specific measures being taken in public procurement to support the circular economy?

For example, in its evidence to the committee Highland Council said that the Scottish Government should mandate minimum recycling content in public procurement. It would be transformational if we were to do that across the public sector. Building on the point that Iain Gulland made, if we do things the right way and target the right areas, that could also have an economic benefit. Is there a role for public procurement policy, and would you like there to be specific measures within it to support the circular economy and drive greater use of recycled goods?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

I recognise that there are wider societal benefits from having something for free, but I am asking specifically about the draft climate change plan. As a policy on its own, you are saying that there is no evidence that it reduces car usage. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

Would, as the Highland Council has suggested, a mandated minimum level of recycled content in public procurement give a green light to the sector by saying, “Look—we expect you to push into that area, and we want to see innovation and opportunities being created”?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

Rachel Aldred, you also mentioned a range of evidence-based policy options that could be pursued. If we were the health committee, we would expect our health service to follow an evidence-based approach when taking actions to address a particular issue or particular conditions. In your view, why do you think that the transport side of the climate change plan does not necessarily include the evidence-based actions that are needed to reduce transport emissions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

You talked about 600 vehicles. That must be a very small percentage of the overall fleet in the UK. I would have thought that the percentage would be in single digits. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

Okay. That was helpful.

My final question is on moving freight from road to rail. I know that grants were available to encourage freight operators to make the shift to rail. I am conscious that there are limitations on the types of goods that can be put on to rail freight, but do you know exactly how many rail freight pathways on the UK rail network are not being utilised because of a lack of demand from industry to switch to using rail freight?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

I would have thought that, given your expertise in logistics, and given that we are trying to encourage people to put freight on to rail, it would be helpful to know what capacity is available but is not being utilised, and what we can do to try to incentivise its greater use. I know that there are limitations on the number of freight pathways on the rail network, but, if we have not quantified that and do not understand exactly how much capacity is available, it will be difficult to understand how much we might be able to incentivise people to make use of it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

That would be very helpful. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

Moreover, if you target this in a particular way and, say, produce things that help to reduce our carbon footprint, it will have a wider environmental benefit.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michael Matheson

I suspect that the whole issue around preventative spend goes back to the Christie commission and trying to make that long-term investment in order to get wider societal benefits. The problem is that, very often, the political cycle does not lend itself to that type of investment. I was struck by Rachel Aldred’s point about the need for long-term investment, which a couple of you have also made. The challenge that the Scottish Government will have is that it does not know what its budget will be next year, because it is, by default, set from the UK Government’s budget. That political process issue compromises some of those other issues.

That brings me to the question that I would like to ask Adrian Davis and Rachel Aldred. You do not feel that the transport provisions in the draft climate change plan are sufficient to achieve the reductions in transport emissions that are needed to tackle climate change. Adrian, you rattled off four examples of areas of transport in which we get good bang for our buck in relation to impact. You mentioned congestion charging, road reallocation and the enforcement of parking restrictions—I am sorry, but I missed the fourth example that you gave. If you feel that the transport provisions in the existing plan are insufficient and that there are clear policies that would, if implemented, have a marked impact, why do you think that those policies are not in the plan and the Government is not pursuing them?