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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

It certainly adds if you can see the workings. I must confess, I find that argument quite bizarre—nobody else does it, so we are not doing it. It is not a case of, “Well, we don’t do it”; it is a case of whether you should do it. That is the point, so I find that quite a bizarre approach.

Let me move on—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

I have to say that I do not think that many members of the public will read the draft climate change plan at all, never mind the actual data.

The cabinet secretary provided a good illustration when she mentioned health. A modelling process will have been used to arrive at the health statistics, as will disaggregated data, and that is the sort of data that is being asked for with regard to how you have arrived at some of the headline figures in the draft climate change plan. That is what we are looking for—the disaggregated data and the modelling used to give substance to those figures.

Another point that has been raised with the committee is the level of detail in the draft plan. Some of the sectoral emission levels have been set out in the plan on a policy basis, under headings such as “Business and Industrial Process”, and then there are other areas, such as buildings, where there is a higher level of reporting. What is the thinking behind having broader areas such as business and industry rather than areas that are more contained, such as buildings? How do you intend to create the right type of oversight on those different levels of policy?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

Okay. That makes sense. You will want to take specific aspects into account for stuff to do with housing within a Scottish dynamic.

That brings me to the question of oversight of the figures for the targets. Do you have a similar oversight mechanism to see what progress has been made in meeting the emissions reduction levels in the different sectors? You will be using a slightly different analytical approach to arrive at the figures for them. What is the oversight mechanism to ensure that those sectors are making progress? Is that different, given the different nature of the analytical process that you have used?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

It is the Government’s plan, so yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

That seems to be a pragmatic way of dealing with it for the small operators. What does the tapering timeline look like? So that I am clear, is the issue for the smaller operators that there is a lack of capacity in energy-from-waste facilities, or do they not have the contracts in place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

Is the tapering dependent on those facilities being operational?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

My understanding is that they were looking for about £3.08 million over the next two financial years—£1.7 million this year and £1.3 million next year—which appears to be a very small part of the £436 million in your budget. From what we have been told, the consequence is that Wave Energy Scotland—which the Scottish Government set up in 2014—will be closed down and 10 full-time-equivalent jobs will be lost. Mocean Energy, a company based in Edinburgh, has said that it will have to close down, with 13 direct jobs being lost. What message does that cut send out about our ambition on marine energy in general, if we are quite literally pulling the plug on the key parts of trying to deliver wave energy?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

Okay, so the 45 per cent reduction is all associated with projects coming to an end.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

Thanks. My final area of questions is the funding and resourcing of the energy consents unit. That remains in the energy transition budget line, but ministerial responsibilities will move to the Minister for Public Finance. I want to understand the rationale for that. Are you satisfied that the ECU has sufficient resource to meet the demand that it is facing? Alongside that, are you satisfied that the statutory consultees such as NatureScot have the necessary resources available to them to meet the increasing demand that they are facing and ensure the timely discharge of consent applications?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

I think that I started that process, if I recall correctly.