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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

Cabinet secretary, before I bring in Douglas Lumsden, I note that both you and Monica Lennon mentioned that a natural environment bill is to be introduced. In the consultation on that, an independent monitoring body was suggested. Do you envisage that that body would be Environmental Standards Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

Agenda item 2 is an evidence-taking session on environmental governance. The committee has previously taken evidence on this matter in relation to the Scottish Government’s environmental governance arrangements report, which was published back in June 2023. The Scottish Government has now consulted on those arrangements, and it submitted a statement to Parliament on 19 November, outlining the consultation process, summarising the responses and presenting ministers’ recommendations. In our evidence session today, we will explore environmental governance further in light of that statement.

I am pleased to welcome to the meeting Gillian Martin, Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy, and, from the Scottish Government, Tim Ellis, deputy director of future environment, and Charles Stewart Roper, head of environment strategy and governance unit. We will move straight to questions from the committee, and I will get us started.

The Government’s statement on environmental governance in November recognises that there are issues with the operation of such governance at present, particularly when it comes to access to justice. However, it appears from the outcome of the review process that little has been given in the way of options to address what seems to be a gap with regard to environmental governance and access to justice. Can you explain to the committee why, now that the issue has been identified, there appears to have been a lack of action in addressing it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

Okay. Douglas Lumsden is next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

I call Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

Donna, from the federation’s perspective, would your members be in favour of a requirement to implement land management plans?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

It feels as though your challenges with the various layers of crofting legislation over many years have coloured your view of framework legislation and giving more flexibility to adapt to changes as and when necessary.

Andrew Thin has indicated that he wants to say something.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

Expansion of the list and setting a threshold for complaints in order to deal with vexatious complaints and so on brings us on to gatekeeping of that process—which brings me on to the land and communities commissioner that the bill sets out. Should the land and communities commissioner have a monitoring role when it comes to land management plans, and should they be responsible for setting the threshold?

I am tempted to come to you first, Andrew, as a commissioner, so that you can give us your experience. What is your view on that? Do you think that the proposed commissioner should have that role in monitoring the implementation of land management plans, and that they should also be responsible for setting the threshold for what would be classed as an acceptable complaint?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

Gary Campbell, should the role of the proposed land and communities commissioner sit much more with the Land Commission than with an individual commissioner?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Matheson

That is very helpful.

I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for attending today, which has been very helpful. The committee will consider the evidence in private later and will consider next steps.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses, and intend to restart the meeting at 10.25.

We are slightly ahead of schedule, but that will allow us to ensure that the next group of witnesses is here.

10:13 Meeting suspended.  

10:25 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Michael Matheson

So, clearly, implementation is a key part of the effectiveness of any land management plan process, and of its credibility and whether there is value in it.

On that point, do you think that, if a piece of land changes hands after a land management plan has been put in place, the new owner should inherit the original plan’s intentions?