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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 March 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Michael Matheson

:That is helpful. I will ask Emily Nurse a specific question on the issue of buildings. You mentioned that the figure that is being used in the CCP has been modelled to bank a reduction in energy use due to high gas prices and warmer winters. Are you effectively saying that the model and the approach that has been taken in calculating the figures for buildings emissions are unsustainable?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Michael Matheson

:Thanks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Michael Matheson

:Sorry—the question is for Emily.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Michael Matheson

:Thanks. There are challenges for the Scottish Government to bring together credible contingency plans, given the level of uncertainty that it may have over reserved policy areas—which, I think, by your calculation, make up just over 40 per cent of what has to be achieved in the CCP. Will you remind me, what recommendations did you make to the UK Government in your advice on the actions that it should take in order to make sure that it sufficiently supports the other nations of the UK?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Michael Matheson

Good morning. I will pick up on some of the risks that you have identified in your report for the CCP. You have identified significant risk in a couple of areas, particularly in relation to buildings, which we have touched on, and agriculture. You flagged up a concern about the areas where overperformance is expected and the fact that there is insufficient contingency in relation to the areas that carry significant risk. You suggest two approaches: a change to the modelling; and the development of contingency plans for the areas of greatest risk. Of the options that you set out, which is your preferred approach?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Michael Matheson

:That is very helpful. To stick with contingency planning, you have recommended that the Scottish Government carry that out for areas in which it lacks agency or in which policy is reserved. The emissions trading scheme, CCS, the electric vehicle mandate and so on, as well as energy prices, are areas that the Scottish Government does not have control over.

Is it realistic for the Scottish Government to be expected to draw together contingency plans for areas that are reserved, given that it cannot identify or understand the pace and nature of how policy will be progressed by the UK Government in those areas?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Michael Matheson

So, an independent person would review the matter.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Michael Matheson

There are only so many mitigation measures that can be put in place, so there will be only so much mitigation that can be done. Given the Scottish Government’s ambition to reach 40GW of offshore wind by 2040, where we are in the delivery pipeline in Scottish waters, as well as there obviously being a pipeline in England and Wales, what will be the process to ensure that it is not simply a case of first come, first served? If you drop all the scope mitigations that could be put in place outwith your own project, that could result in projects further down the line finding that there is not much left for them to do. It will not be quite like that—I am putting it in a fairly crude way—but I am trying to think about how we can ensure that we are giving as much scope as possible to maximise the process in a way that keeps in mind that it will be way into the 2030s before some projects are delivered and that there is a need to ensure that there are still some mitigation measures that they can help to support, when it comes to the point at which they need to do that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Michael Matheson

I am not asking for the exact threshold. I presume that the decision would be made on the balance of probabilities, rather than a requirement that the evidence was beyond reasonable doubt. I am trying to establish the evidential threshold.

It would be a civil matter, not a criminal matter and, therefore, I presume that the threshold would be the balance of probabilities. A criminal matter in the courts has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt but, obviously, a court of law will not be determining those matters.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Michael Matheson

So, decisions would be made on the balance of probabilities