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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

Thanks. Turning to policy options, we have a Scottish target of achieving net zero by 2045 and a UK target of doing so by 2050. Something that has often been underestimated in the past is the interlink between the policy options of the UK Government and how those impact on Scotland’s targets, and how Scotland’s options and the targets that Scotland sets then have an impact on the rest of the UK and the UK target.

James Curran, do you think that the draft plan properly reflects the interplay of policy options that the Scottish Government needs the UK Government to implement to support it and assist it in being able to achieve its objectives? Let us take transport as an example.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

Mark Winskel, you said that 80 per cent of the costs associated with tackling climate change rest with the Scottish Government side of things. What do we do if the UK Government changes its budget profile and that has a direct impact on the Scottish Government’s budget allocation to do these things?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

This is the first carbon budget that the Scottish Government has produced—previously, it has gone for annual targets. Clearly, the UK Government has experience in this area, as it is on its sixth carbon budget, although I think that the two previous ones were ruled as being unlawful in that they did not comply with the climate change legislation. Lloyd Austin, does the move to carbon budgets from annual targets give you greater confidence that the necessary progress will be made?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

I suspect that the Treasury will keep a close eye on how that develops with regard to what it does in the future.

I turn to the issue of the Scottish Government’s commitment to the installation of 24,000 new electric vehicle charging points by 2030. Jarrod Birch, you referred to that earlier. What is your view on the deliverability of that particular target?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

That is very helpful. My final question to you is on the charging infrastructure that needs to be put in place—not the grid stuff but the actual charging points. Clearly, it is important to install the right type of charging infrastructure, with more people wanting rapid chargers, or to have access to those chargers. Where is the vast majority of that equipment being manufactured for installation in the UK? Is it being manufactured in Scotland or in other parts of the UK?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

What would you say are the best policies that the Government could deploy to reduce car mileage?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

As ever with a plan, there is usually a price tag attached to it as well. You have mentioned heat in buildings as one of the big emitters. It is an area where there is a need for significant investment to address issues. We also need to change people’s behaviour much more around transport in the public transport space and expand and develop that. Those bring big capital costs to the Scottish Government.

When the UK Government decides to cut capital expenditure within its budget, that then has a direct impact on the capital allocation to the Scottish Government. What should the Scottish Government do in those instances if that then undermines the carbon budget that it is trying to pursue in relation to reducing emissions from buildings or reducing car usage by investing in alternative means of travel? What should we do about that? Jess Pepper, given what you were saying earlier, we have a plan—who is responsible? What should we do?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

On that point, Professor Anable, I am interested in the policy dichotomy around encouraging people to use electric vehicles to reduce emissions—as the draft climate change plan does—while also attempting to reduce the number of car journeys that are made. Do you think that the Scottish Government, in its draft climate change plan, has set out the right types of incentives to achieve both of those objectives?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay. It will be interesting to see whether there is a change in EV driver behaviour if they are charged per mile over the course of the next couple of years.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Michael Matheson

James Curran, do you have a view on whether the Scottish Government can learn lessons from the UK Government’s experience of using carbon budgets?