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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

If yours is a highly regulated sector where prevention comes first, what is your concern about addressing ecocide? What would Simon Parsons’s concern be for the water industry? If it seems inconceivable that there could be ecocide, what is your concern about adopting such an approach, if you think that it does not apply to your sectors?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

You have said that the bill would have no impact, because you are already highly regulated. I am not sure what your sectors’ concern is. Does Elspeth Macdonald want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Do particular parts of Catherine McWilliam’s membership have particular concerns? Are your members all saying that everything is fine because they are regulated, that they see no threats and that they just do not like the idea of ecocide and what it might turn into?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

It surprises me that some of your larger corporate members would not be concerned about the bill. Am I right that smaller members think that an ecocide event might be possible under their control?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

So, they would be better equipped to deal with it.

Simon Parsons, from the perspective of a state utility, what would change if the bill passed into law?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Catherine McWilliam, do you have anything to add on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. Back to you, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Just before I leave you, Shivali, I think that you mentioned strict liability and particular sectors for which strict liability might be established as another form of backstop. I am thinking, for example, of genetically modified crops being released into the environment, or a GM fish that could decimate wild salmon populations. Could an ecocide law focus more on that area of strict liability being established in certain situations, or should that really be the subject of a separate conversation about environmental damage and how responsible certain sectors need to be?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thanks. Can we move to other speakers online?

Great, we have the screen back. We will go to Sue Miller.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Right, okay. Sue?