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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 December 2024
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Okay—I think that we have done that question. Great.

I want to return to an issue that we talked about a lot in the predecessor committee when the UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Bill was going through Parliament: that is ESS’s role in relation to individual cases. There is a slight difference in the way that that has landed. The Office for Environmental Protection in England has the ability to investigate individual cases, but we still do not have that in ESS’s role. You advised ESS

“that it should give further consideration to the conditions where it would be appropriate to investigate the individual circumstances of a local area”.

It sounds to me as though you are giving ESS, even within the context of the 2021 act as it stands, a bit of a nudge towards something.

Have you anything more to say about how you define that? It is an area that NGOs and communities are interested in. Part of the context is that not everybody will have an environmental issue that is replicable in other areas of Scotland. One of ESS’s first cases was to look at acoustic deterrent devices at fish farms. That was an issue from around the coast of Scotland in which various communities were concerned. However, I guess that not every community will have an issue that is replicable—it might have more of a stand-alone individual case.

I am trying to read into that comment from the Government what you would like ESS to explore and where we might end up after that strategic review.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Does that mean that there are four or five dates?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

I will go back to the bill’s provisions on land management plans. How will that play out in a crofting estate—whether it is community owned or owned by an individual or a family? Can you point to good examples where land management plans are in effect already being developed or consulted on with wider crofting townships and others? Is there potential for change to reflect good practice through such plans?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Reducing the threshold to 500 hectares would bring in a lot more crofting estates. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

I want to ask about Aarhus convention compliance. Is there any sanction for not meeting the terms of that important international agreement? The Government was not in compliance in October. I think that that was the most recent deadline that passed. What happens now, as a result? Is it just a bit embarrassing, or do you work towards some strict monitoring deadline that is enforceable through the convention? Will you explain to me how that works, because—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Do witnesses have any comments about the specific proposals for ministers to lot estates or about the process behind that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

What would you say about having a transfer test for the seller instead of a public interest test for the buyer?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

So you would have preferred to have had a public interest test.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Okay—there is no fixed date, but there is a kind of work plan.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

I understand that, and I presume that the right to appeal will be with the regulator, if there is an environmental issue. I am interested in a situation in which there might be a very localised case—it might be the only case in Scotland—of a pollution incident, for example. There might not be a way to adequately seek justice in that case and the case might point to the need for a change in the law, or for the regulatory body to regulate in a different way from how it currently discharges its duties. ESS might have gone through the complaints process with the regulatory body and not got anywhere, so it might think that it could look at whether the body is regulating effectively and whether there needs to be a change in the law. Is that not a difficult decision for ESS to make right now? It would still just be one case. Where is the discretion in that?