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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

Your question was useful, convener.

I want to ask about issues with electrical and battery waste, at Friarton in Perth in particular, where we have seen four fires under the site’s successive owners. We have seen similar fires at other waste management sites around Scotland, too. I suppose that that touches on elements of fire safety, which are potentially outwith SEPA’s remit; as with salmon farming, you share regulation of the sites with other bodies.

I just wanted to get your reflections on that, though, because what the public are seeing are the same sites and the same fires, time after time. It would be useful to know whether you believe that the regulatory framework that you work under is enough at the moment to tackle not only those huge pollution incidents but the elements of risk that workers at the sites and local communities face? It seems that we are seeing a vast increase in the amount of battery waste in society, and there are perhaps questions to ask about whether that will be regulated effectively, given that we do not seem to fully understand the risks around fires and other such issues.

Nicole, did you want to come back in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

If you have more detail on the status of those conversations, specifically in relation to the WHO guidelines, that would be useful.

On greenhouse gases and ammonia, the CAFS strategy says that you have been working with

“the agricultural industry to develop a voluntary code of good agricultural practice for improving air quality in Scotland.”

You are directly involved in that CAFS workstream. I am interested in what progress you have made towards developing that code, who has been involved in that development and whether you think that a voluntary code is the right way forward or whether we should be moving towards using regulation—or a mixture of both.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

It would be useful for the committee to see any update that you have in relation to how you have adopted those ESS recommendations in a timely manner, if we have missed it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

You wanted to come in on this matter, convener. I have another question after that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

I return to Bob Doris’s questions about full-fare-paying passengers and fare increases over time. As I understand it, between 2012 and 2022, fare prices increased by between 65 and 70 per cent across Scotland. That compares with the cost of motoring, which went up by only 35 per cent during that period. There appears to be a gap.

Drawing on Mr Doris’s comments, I am a little concerned that companies might look at the model and think that they will get a higher reimbursement rate if they keep pushing up the fares. Carole Stewart is shaking her head, so maybe that is not the case. Folks who are getting on a bus every day are seeing those increases and they are making a decision about whether to leave the car at home. If it is becoming cheaper to drive, that is an issue.

Is not the wider fare capping an issue with the model? Effectively, it means that higher fares result in more money for the companies. Carole Stewart is still shaking her head. Does she want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

Can you show with the model how that has played out over the period from 2012 to 2022, when adult bus fares went up by between 65 and 70 per cent? Was there a corresponding reduction in that reimbursement rate over time?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

It would be good to see how that plays out through the model, rather than it just being—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

Sorry to interrupt. I know that you have a lot of figures, but I want to consider this from the perspective of my constituents. If they have a concern about a particular factory or polluter, can they go online and track what has happened over time? Can they track whether there has been enforcement action, a penalty notice has been issued, remedial action has been taken or improvements have been made? Is the story of a particular site or operator—when they failed to meet compliance or when there was a rectification of action or a penalty—really clear, for our constituents to understand it? At the moment, I am not really getting that clarity.

10:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

I do, but I could move on if you want, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

We have other examples. SEPA has come in for considerable criticism in relation to issues surrounding the disposal of salmon morts, in North Uist in particular. The public perception is that not enough is being done and that this happens time after time. I know that the salmon farming sector used up quite a lot of SEPA’s time a few years ago. Can you say anything about the particular case in North Uist—I think that it happened at Whiteshore Cockles processing site? There have been other examples reported in the media, which people are looking at and asking, “How is this allowed to happen?”