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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I was waiting to hear what Kevin Anderson was going to say, but if we do not want to hear what he has to say, I will move on to the next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I understand, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am struck by what Kevin Anderson said. There is very much a consensus between the UK Climate Change Committee and Governments across the UK on the need for a balanced pathway, and, from what we can see, the draft plan reflects the need for such a pathway. The issue is to do with the art of what is politically possible in the current context. Does the plan reflect the emergency that we are in? Obviously, we take the advice of the UKCCC, and we are following the middle path, but is that okay? Should we be sticking to the goal of reaching net zero by 2045? Does the plan reflect the urgency of what is required?

I turn first to James Curran.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

We will come to those sectors a little bit later.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

We will be talking about particular sectors a bit later on.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thank you. Jess, do you want to come in briefly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am aware of the time. I would like to hear briefly from Mark Winskel, Lloyd Austin and Kevin Anderson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am here to listen to the evidence, so I would like to hear a brief contribution from Kevin Anderson if he wants to make one, and I will move quickly on to a final question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I will be reading about that in the Daily Mail.

My final question is on contingency measures, which Mark Winskel mentioned earlier in relation to carbon capture and storage and the Acorn project. Three or four years ago, the UK Climate Change Committee warned that the Scottish Government needed to have a plan B on Acorn. There is very high dependency on negative emissions technologies, particularly in the third carbon budget. How should the plan deal with the question of contingency? Should there be trigger points in there?

It feels as though, between one climate change plan and the next, any decision on reliance on the gas grid—for example, for heating or for carbon capture and storage—has been put off. It feels as though many of those dependencies just sit there. Perhaps a contingency measure needs to be brought in, or a trigger point at which Governments have to either make a decision or say, “You know what? This is not going to happen, therefore we need to go to plan B.”

I will bring in Mark Winskel, but if anybody has something to add on the back of what he says they should indicate that they wish to come in.