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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

The concern, though, would be that we then build in dependence on natural gas, which will be 90 per cent of what flows through the pipes—10 per cent might be hydrogen. If this is seen as a transition, how do you make sure that there actually is a transition, rather than effectively locking in dependency?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

No, I am fine.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. Thanks. Stuart, do you want to comment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thanks for those answers.

Going back to hydrogen, I would like to ask a question that I asked the first panel, about which sectors we should prioritise for hydrogen use. We have had some discussion, in the past couple of weeks, about the potential to bring back fertiliser manufacturing, and we have talked about hard-to-abate sectors in particular. There has been some discussion about the wider use of hydrogen in heating and its applicability or otherwise. I am interested in your thoughts on that.

Mercedes, you are nodding. Would you like to come back in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. Stuart, do you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. That is the pitch. I have heard that quite a few times before, but I am interested in the reality of where that now sits within the climate change plan. The previous climate change plan relied quite heavily on having CCS up and running by now, or very soon, to meet the 2030 targets. The Climate Change Committee warned that we would need to have a plan B, but that never came.

Leaving aside the strong arguments that you put forward, I am interested in where CCS now sits in terms of being deployable on the ground and able to capture carbon at an efficient rate. When will that happen? How much reliance on it should there be in the plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. You think that it is not about the timescale for deployment but is more about how the CCC is modelling residual emissions. Are you saying that we are on track with that and the other track 1 projects?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I do not know whether any of you has a view on the uncertainty around global markets for derivatives. Derivatives are quite easy to transport. Will we end up in the same situation that we are in with other sectors, whereby somebody comes in, undercuts us and takes the bottom out of the market that we were hoping for? Do any of you have views on the risks and uncertainties? Professor Haszeldine, you suggested that we should not build a pipeline but should focus on manufacturing things. If we are in a global market, is there the certainty for us to do that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I want to hear some more of your reflections on the sectors that you think should be the priority for hydrogen use. You will be aware that there has been some discussion of an appropriate hierarchy of hydrogen use, and Tim Dumenil has already talked about the right-use case for hydrogen and really drilling down into those sectors.

From your earlier comments, Mark, I take it that you see no use for hydrogen in the domestic heating sector. Is that right?