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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Do you think that those variable, far cheaper electricity prices will be a fixed feature for consumers and householders? Can consumers and businesses that supply technology such as night-time battery storage be certain that it will always be possible to buy cheaper electricity at certain times and thereby save on bills?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thanks, convener. I turn to buildings—both homes and other buildings. Earlier, you put it to us that there is a real need to switch to much more efficient technologies that are lower cost for consumers but also much lower carbon. I ask you to reflect on the change that we have seen in expectation. In the 2020 climate change plan update, the Scottish Government had a very ambitious programme—well, it was not a full programme as such, but it contained an ambitious target of a 63 per cent reduction in emissions from the building sector to 2030. That clearly represented an enormous ramp-up of a range of technologies, although the programme at that time did not really specify how that would be achieved. That differs quite a lot from what you are now putting forward in the balanced pathway, which sees a much greater adoption of technologies than in the third and fourth budgets.

Can you offer a bit of narrative as to what you think has changed around the expectations on building carbon reduction in recent years and what is now the realistic pathway?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

So you really see the reduction in electricity price as a trigger, whether it is for transport, for home heating or for people shifting over to electrifying technology. At the moment, we are not quite there in terms of a market signal being sent to consumers that it is obvious that they should switch to an electric vehicle and an air-source heat pump.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

We will be future proofing entry into those markets.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. I think that you are advising decarbonisation in non-residential buildings earlier than in residential buildings. Will you explain that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

I perhaps take a different view, convener. To me, the 6 per cent figure sounds pretty pitiful, to be honest. As someone who lives in a rural area, I could quite easily reduce my mileage by 6 per cent just by organising my day a little bit better, by joining up with other families when taking my kids to activities, for example.

I think that Eoin Devane is making a point about the real reduction coming from urban areas, but in the CCC’s advice, I do not see what the game changer could be if we are to significantly reduce vehicle mileage. For example, some cities in Europe have completely free public transport systems. If that is put in place and funded through congestion charges, could that result in a much greater reduction—say, 30 per cent—in vehicle mileage in urban areas? It could mean that there simply would be no point in driving any more if people are charged to drive but had a completely free, well-funded public transport system.

I feel that we are in a climate emergency. What is the game changer here? Many projects have been tried across Europe, and you have collated some of the best practice on that. However, none of this feels like the big, big shift that is needed. If we are sitting here debating a 6 per cent reduction—or one journey in every 20—that does not really feel to me like a shift in behaviour. I know that I am being provocative, but I am interested in finding out what the big ideas are that could really shift things fairly and in a way that actually benefits people.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Convener, can I move on to ask about heat?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am struggling to work out what that would be, because, as you described, the growth of the market in other places has been very slow. It is very much an S-curve, which puts all the carbon reductions and progress back to the later years. Instead of putting those regulations in place, what measures can the Government take right now to really speed up that market? I am curious to know what the plan B would be, or are we just pushing everything back?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

In essence, would you see investment in net zero policies increasing the competitiveness of sectors such as ethylene or cement, which you see as having a long-term role in Scotland, or do you think that there are risks in going too fast?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

You set out very clearly that you are disappointed that the Scottish Government abandoned its proposals for the regulations to upgrade properties at the point of sale as part of the heat in buildings bill. Can you say what impact that decision might have on that pathway for decarbonising heat? If the Government sticks with that position after the election and does not put the measure back into the bill, what else can it do to speed things up and grow that market more quickly?