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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
What are the headlines?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
Okay. It just seems odd. You are Scotland’s national nature agency as well as Scotland’s national access agency. If you do not assess compliance with international law and international treaties—from United Nations treaties to the Bern convention to Ramsar—who else will do that?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
The code of conduct that is in front of us was published in January 2026. I am interested in how it will develop over time, and I am also interested in how many cases Transport Scotland will deal with every year based on the code of conduct. There is a franchise of 2.3 million people who have concessionary cards. Would you expect the number of cases to be about a couple of hundred, a couple of thousand or more than 10,000?
We have heard today that the whole process of reviewing evidence, making a judgment and allowing appeals from cardholders could be quite time consuming. I am trying to understand what the numbers would likely be. It could be that a whole department would need to be set up to independently review the cases that come forward, particularly if the code of conduct includes—as in the current draft—reference to “indecent language” on buses, because that could involve huge numbers of people.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
Yes.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
Is that for the 11 to 15 scheme?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
Would you accept, though, that you are Scotland’s national access agency? If it is not you, who is it that maintains the strategic overview of access rights, makes improvements to legislation and works with other stakeholders who own land, so as to encourage proper public access and enjoyment of the rights and responsibilities?
09:15
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
I think that the deputy convener has covered some of the areas that I wanted to go into, and I listened to the responses.
I have only one question. I noticed that the responses to the consultation were quite divided—environmental non-governmental organisations were not really supportive of the measure and there were some concerns from the fishing sector as well, but the renewable energy sector was very supportive. Given what you have described in relation to the hierarchy and the need to look at the issue more strategically, how do you see those interests coming together? It is clear that the industry will probably run out of options for setting traps on islands to remove invasive species.
There will be a need for serious investment in ecological restoration across the seas, which will require environmental non‑governmental organisations and others coming to the table, working with the industry and coming up with some really big ideas that go way beyond what is being discussed at the moment. How do you ensure that that input is there and that you are not just having a circular conversation with the industry?
12:45
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
That was the view that I got when I spoke to Engender about the issue in relation to violence against women and girls. It was surprised that sexual harassment is not spelled out in the code.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
It is also a judgment that bus drivers will have to make in compiling the evidence for various types of harassment and indecent language.
What kind of national support or guidance will there be to ensure that, regardless of whether we are talking about buses in Aberdeen, Edinburgh or anywhere else, people will have a full understanding of what the code of conduct means and what evidence will need to be gathered? At a previous meeting, Sarah Boyack raised the issue of people who have Tourette’s syndrome. Would what they say be considered indecent language?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 February 2026
Mark Ruskell
To be honest, I am still struggling with this. The order does not prevent violent and abusive people from getting on to buses; it only means that their entitlement card will be suspended. They could quite easily walk on to a bus and pay a fare.
I am trying to understand the relationship with the wider conditions of carriage, which apply to everybody who gets on a bus, regardless of whether they are a young person, disabled, an older person or whatever. Most bus companies—all the bus companies in Scotland, I think—have conditions of carriage and they all cover threatening, abusive, dangerous and unsafe behaviour. That seems like the nub of the problem that we are talking about.
Minister, you say that this order is completely separate to any action that operators might take in relation to conditions of carriage.