The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
People have suggested in evidence that, notwithstanding that, there is an issue about the requirement for more capital investment. Clearly, if the bill goes through, there will be a right to recovery. You talk in the financial memorandum about publicising that, trying to reduce stigma and getting more people to come forward. There is a fear that there could be an upsurge in the number of people coming forward and that, even though the Scottish Government is going up to 650 beds, that will not be enough.
Paragraph 38 in the financial memorandum states:
“The average cost of a placement in a core programme in rehab in Scotland is £18,112”.
I understand how difficult it is to put together a financial memorandum on the issue, but it says that placement costs range from £6,504 to £27,500, for varying lengths of courses, and that the cost per week is £350 to £5,500. If there is an upsurge, there will be extra demand on private places as well, which I assume the Scottish Government would be expected to fund under the bill. The Scottish Government could be funding private places at £5,000-plus per week. As demand goes up, we could end up with costs rising exponentially because of such issues. How do you address that concern?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Do you feel that the financial memorandum reflects that? The evidence suggests that it does not. Finding people to do the work is one of the issues. Even if the Scottish Government had unlimited cash resources, it would still have to find people and train them to the required standard in order to deliver the outcomes that we would like to see.
Paragraph 85 of the financial memorandum says that
“the implementation of the Bill will lead to more completed treatments. This in turn will mean fewer repeat appointments being needed for patients who are seeking a new treatment, having had an unsuccessful patient journey.”
If staff numbers across Scotland are going to need to significantly increase, some staff will not have the same experience as those who work for organisations that have worked in the field for years or even decades. You are suggesting that the bill will lead to better outcomes, but I am not sure that we have the evidence that that will be the case, as some people will not have the same level of experience.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
You represent the rural Highlands and Islands region. One concern that has been raised is about how we ensure that we are able to provide an equitable service. I have rural areas in my constituency, as do most members around the table, with the exception of John Mason and possibly Michelle Thomson. That is a real issue for many of us and for many communities. How would you ensure that the provisions of the bill are delivered equitably, from Stranraer to Shetland?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I appreciate that.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
We move to questions from members, beginning with Liz Smith, to be followed by Ross Greer.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
If more people receive treatment, it is clear, surely, that the level of support that is required will also rise commensurately.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
You have mentioned that the level of the demand is hidden. Scottish Health Action on Alcohol Problems mentioned that 22 per cent of adults have alcohol problems. However, the bill will only really apply to those people who have been diagnosed with such a problem. With regard to drugs, paragraph 23 of the financial memorandum says that
“the number of individuals with problem drug use in Scotland is 57,300”,
but the number of people who had initial assessments for specialist drug treatment has varied from 6,275 to 7,867 in recent years. Therefore, the untapped demand is huge.
We mentioned earlier that the average cost of treatment is about £18,000 per person. If we take even a small proportion of those 50,000 people who have been identified as drug addicts—there are undoubtedly more whom we do not know about—it is not necessary to be an arithmetic genius to realise that the cost of £28 million to £38 million that is spelled out in the financial memorandum will be breached pretty early on simply in relation to treatment for drugs, let alone treatment for alcohol.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Indeed.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you for that opening statement. Do you really think that, if you were to put the tax on inert waste up by £1 you would have vast numbers of lorries charging over the border in order to avoid tax? Given what it costs to ship such material, including the cost of fuel, payment for the driver and depreciation of the value of the lorry, that is kind of nonsense, is it not? I can understand the argument about non-inert waste, but it seems a bit bizarre that this tax has been devolved for umpteen years without there being a penny differential and that we still get a ludicrous statement every year about inert waste tourism. Surely we can think up our own tax for that. If it cost a fiver, we could make an extra few bob for the Scottish Government and there would not be a queue of trucks at Berwick trying to dump waste in Northumberland.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Do you have any further points that you feel that we have not covered?