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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I will.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I will ask one more question before I bring colleagues in. Frankly, the most recent Scottish Parliament election was more of a Dutch auction than any of the others that I have experienced under devolution, in that increasingly unfunded promises were made right across the board.

You highlight that,

“In publishing its forecasts, assessments and reports, the Commission must have regard to relevant Scottish Government policy and will not consider what the effect of alternative policies would be”.

The commission is not allowed to consider what the effect of alternative policies would be, but do you think that it would be more effective if it was able to do that? I know that that is a difficult balancing act, but other independent financial institutions provide such advice. Would it be helpful if the commission was able to look at policies and say things such as, “That’s just nonsense—we’re not going to be able to afford that”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 10th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from Ross Greer.

The first item on our agenda is an evidence session with John-Paul Marks, the permanent secretary to the Scottish Government, on issues relating to public administration in Government. Mr Marks is joined by Scottish Government officials Lesley Fraser, director general corporate; Gregor Irwin, director general economy; and Jackie McAllister, chief financial officer. I welcome you all to the meeting, and I invite Mr Marks to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What should be the priorities for your successor?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that opening statement. I am sure that the SFC’s chair, Graeme Roy, will be delighted to be described as

“a seasoned and effective communicator”.

I am sure that we all agree with that.

The report is excellent and really well put together. On page 8, it says that the recommendations

“position the institution to have an important role in empowering political and public understanding around budget choices at a time when Scotland’s fiscal context will become increasingly challenging.”

Obviously, that is quite a sensitive issue in politics. How do you suggest that the SFC can do that in a non-partisan way, or in a way that is seen to be non-partisan?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I like the way that you say “layperson”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes questions from members. I have a final question. The report’s conclusion talks about

“the SFC’s potential to go beyond its role as official economic and fiscal forecaster and help raise awareness around fiscal challenges.”

The SFC has raised awareness about climate change and sustainability and there has not really been any political kickback, because it has been able to show a degree of political neutrality. You believe that the SFC should deepen its spending analysis beyond social security to offer more comprehensive insights into public spending trade-offs.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Are there any more points that you want to make to wind up the session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thought so, but it is good if those things are pinned down and explained. That is a simple, straightforward explanation, but it is good to have milestones saying where we expect to be after one quarter, six months or nine months. That way, for transparency, we have a clearer picture of whether the Government is on track and how much it is saving.

Colleagues are keen to come in, but I want to ask you one more question, on financial memorandums. It is important to acknowledge that progress has been made on financial memorandums, but the committee has had a number of concerns about the financial memorandums that have been presented to us. They have been considerably out of date, frankly, and that has had significant implications for costings and, ultimately, our scrutiny.

A number of members’ bills have come to us, and I am wondering about the change in guidance. You have said that

“the Scottish Government should proactively write to the Committee as soon as it becomes aware of any significantly revised figures (including margins of uncertainty) for FMs during Stage 1 of a Bill’s passage.”

Will that apply to members’ bills as well as to Government bills?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. I will bring in colleagues around the table, starting with John Mason.