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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that.

Gail Macgregor mentioned the fiscal framework. In paragraph 28 of your submission, you say:

“The devolution of tax powers to the Scottish Parliament has introduced a higher level of risk and uncertainty around the assumptions required to deliver a Budget ... Fundamentally the relative difference in earnings growth and the composition of taxpayers in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, which is a key feature of the current block grant adjustment mechanism, suggests an inherent unfairness in Scotland’s disfavour.”

How would you rebalance that? We will be deliberating on that issue over the weeks and months ahead.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Susan, I asked you the first question, and you will get the last word. Obviously, the consequentials will be rolled out over a number of years. What is your view of how the proposal will impact on Scotland’s budget and economy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Ray, is there anyone who knows how all those different things fit together?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. As I recall, productivity is a balance of skills, attitude, aptitude and capital applied. It is a question of getting that balance right, is it not?

I thank our witnesses. In particular, I thank you for coming to give evidence in person, which makes a significant difference to the quality of the session. That is very much appreciated. We hope to see you all again before too long.

We will have a two-minute break, after which we will consider a letter from the cabinet secretary.

Meeting closed at 12:55.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

What about CIPFA, Alan?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I thank all the guests. We are almost 20 minutes over time, so I will not ask any further questions, you will be glad to know. Thank you all for your contributions. I thank John Dickie for coming here in person, and I particularly thank Age Scotland for its policy on concessionary travel, given that I will qualify as of tomorrow.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I know. Who would believe it?

Anyway, thank you very much, everyone. I will now call a halt until 20 past 11 for a change of witnesses and a natural break.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

11:18 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

The next question is also for you, but I will ask it of Kevin Robertson as well. The question is based on the STUC’s written submission, which stated that it does not agree with freezing income tax for the duration of this session of the Scottish Parliament. Obviously, Governments might or might not keep such promises. Do you think that that policy should be stuck with throughout this session or that it should be reconsidered?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

A sneaky way in which Governments can allow income tax to go up is by just not changing the bands, whereby fiscal drag allows inflation to bring more people into higher bands. What is the Scottish Property Federation’s view on whether income tax should be frozen for five years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

You said in your written submission:

“Our members are clear that tenants who can pay rent should do so, and those tenants who need support should be helped where a property owner has the means to do so.”

Can you expand on what you mean by that and on how support could be provided?