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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Electronic data storage has been a huge boon. When I left Glasgow city chambers in 1999, I was asked politely to take home the contents of six filing cabinets and mountains of other sundry possessions that were piled up. I do not think that I was popular when 13,000 constituency cases turned up in my garage subsequent to that. Therefore, I realise how important records management is. It is important to have adequate storage and ensure that records are kept robustly and confidentially.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

It is clear that all parties that are involved in the process are expected to maintain confidentiality at all times, including when the process has concluded. The rights of staff are protected from detriment if they have made a qualifying disclosure known as whistleblowing. What constitutes a breach of confidentiality and what is considered to be whistleblowing?

10:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you, Daniel. That was the first question that I was going to ask as well, but the Deputy First Minister is absolutely right that the First Minister appoints ministers, so if a minister has broken that code and been seen to do so, or has been involved in issues such as we have already discussed, the likelihood of their being able to survive in post is zero, I would have thought. Let us move on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I do not expect that this would transpire but if it did, in theory, no action would be taken against someone for doing that, so anyone could bring any case forward, and it would be hit or miss, so to speak.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the Deputy First Minister and his officials, Lesley Fraser and Ian Mitchell, for their evidence. That concludes the public part of our meeting.

11:28 Meeting continued in private until 11:56.  

 

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that opening statement. In a relatively short statement, you mentioned on three occasions that the lessons that have been learned have been put into practice. The committee and I are well aware that we are in the middle of a process, but what specific lessons have been learned so far?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Throughout the process, what steps have been taken to ensure that the procedure is lawful and conforms to natural justice?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

If a minister had concerns about an individual member of staff, how would they be progressed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

According to the draft procedure,

“For complaints which are not upheld, this could include actions to resolve remaining issues informally or other management actions.”

What sort of actions would be contemplated?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that clarification. Are the definitions of bullying and harassment that are detailed in the ministerial code and for staff who work with ministers clearly explained to ministers and civil servants, and will they be updated as the procedures develop?