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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body can get you a new website for only £3 million.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes questions from the committee. Are there any further points that you wish to make before we conclude this evidence session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I will put that on the record. That paragraph says:

“The Scottish Government has contacted public bodies three times since January 2023 to assess their ability to carry out reform. These requests did not generate concrete information on the quantity, quality or anticipated impact of public bodies’ collective work on reform ... There is no evidence that specific action has been taken to remove these barriers”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Understandably, everyone wants security of employment, but if an organisation has to reduce its head count for whatever reason, it will end up having to ask for voluntary redundancies. Sometimes, in order to balance the books, people will leave who it does not want to leave and people whose jobs are perhaps no longer really required will stay. Those people might not have the skills or even the aptitude to move somewhere else. That causes difficulties, not least for the ability of an organisation to deliver services.

In terms of progress on public service reform, you say in paragraph 69:

“The Scottish Government required all portfolios to lay out their savings and reform plans by the end of the financial year. These plans contain different levels of detail and estimates of how reform will affect costs and budgets. Together they do not provide the information needed to estimate how much reform will save.”

How much do you estimate needs to be saved by such reform, and what does the Government have to do to get on track in order to reach that objective?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. If people want to come in on that issue, I would be more than happy for them to do so.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In my experience, we have gone backwards on flexibility in some respects. For example, a decade ago, some of my constituents in Skelmorlie, which is on the border of the NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde area, would have been able to go to Inverclyde hospital, but now they have to jump through all sorts of hoops to do that. Eighty-year-olds are having to visit relatives in hospital in Crosshouse, which, from their perspective, is at the far end of Ayrshire, when they have another hospital a few miles up the road.

There used to be a simple arrangement whereby people from Skelmorlie would have gone to Inverclyde hospital in the NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde area and NHS Ayrshire and Arran would have paid for that, but I feel that there is now a reluctance to allow that to happen. The interests of the patients seem to be secondary to accountancy concerns. I am not convinced that the flexibility that you have mentioned has improved over the years. In my experience, we have gone slightly backwards in that regard.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that there does not seem to be a baseline to show where we are now compared to where we want to get to. I asked about that earlier, but I do not think you specifically answered the question about what savings you envisage can be delivered by public sector reform, and in what time period. That depends on the direction that the Government takes, but what realistic financial aim should the Government hope to achieve through the reform that you would like to see?

For example, in your report, you note that the Scottish leaders forum said that the

“current system of accountability does little to encourage cross-organisational working and holding individuals to account for their role in ensuring their organisation contributes to the performance of a collection of organisations”.

If we assume that that is resolved—that the Government looks at your report, ticks every box, says, “We’ll sort that,” and then does sort it—where can we end up and over what kind of timescale, and what kind of savings can be made in order to reinvest?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was going to go to Chris Kerr, but someone else has indicated that they want to come in first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If our other guests have similar frustrations, I would be happy to hear them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am just getting warmed up but, given that time is against us—we will have another panel following this one—and all my colleagues are keen to come in, I will leave it there.