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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. In today’s discussions, you have touched on things such as education, ferries and local government, all of which are devolved. As you will know, education, along with the legal system, was part of the Act of Union 1707, which preserved Scotland’s unique education system. However, we know that, for example, a £559 million adult numeracy fund will be managed by the Department for Education across the United Kingdom. Is that a first since 1707? Maybe I am just not aware of it, but my understanding was that, on such matters, you might allocate funding to Scotland, but the decision would be made here in Scotland.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

It is about the funding being managed by the UK Government, not the funding being allocated.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that. That is very positive.

We have 30 seconds of our 90 minutes left. As I said I would a minute or two ago, secretary of state, I will allow you to make any further points that you wish to make before we conclude the meeting.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Good afternoon and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2022 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have one item on today’s agenda, which is to take evidence on the replacement of European Union structural funds and levelling up from the Secretary of State for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities and Minister for Intergovernmental Relations, the Rt Hon Michael Gove MP. We have up to 90 minutes for the session.

I warmly welcome the secretary of state to the committee. Good afternoon, Mr Gove. I understand that you do not wish to make any opening remarks, so we will move straight to questions, if that is okay with you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Basically, you are suggesting that there will not be any gap in funding. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

You mentioned capacity funding of £125,000 for local authorities. I was advised that that did not go anywhere near the real cost of bidding and the work beyond that. I know that there will be a second round of that funding, but would you agree that there are some concerns, particularly in smaller local authorities that do not have resources, that they might have to buy in expertise to prepare bids, which again takes longer, and that that could be a disadvantage? There are 32 local authorities and in 2021 there were only eight awards, so is it worth their while going down that track if they are not going to get anywhere near an award and might be significantly out of pocket, which could have an impact on their council tax payers and service providers?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Will you personally be speaking to Scottish ministers?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Your visit has created a wee bit of a stir beyond Holyrood, I have to say. Earlier this week, I was contacted by the European Marine Energy Centre, which is based in Orkney and is the first and only accredited wave and tidal test centre for marine energy in the world. Over 16 years, the centre has contributed £306 million to the UK economy, supporting almost 200 jobs. Between 2016 and 2020, EMEC received more than £17.4 million from Europe, which was 52 per cent of its total funding.

However, EMEC is deeply concerned. It says that your levelling up white paper, which was published on 2 February, suggests that the UK shared prosperity fund will be allocated entirely through local authorities. That creates a real risk that EMEC and other unique organisations that are crucial to innovation and dealing with net zero will miss out on crucial funding. How will the shared prosperity fund or any other mechanism work to ensure that that does not happen? You said that there might be other funding streams, but if that is the case, it has not been communicated to organisations such as that one.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

My understanding is that the £800 million covers all three devolved nations, so it is £450 million for Scotland.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I am just wondering why the Treasury Committee expressed such great concerns. It seemed to be of the view that that would not happen and that there would be a significant reduction in funding, and the Welsh Government’s analysis backed that view.