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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Last, and certainly not least, I will bring in Jane Morrison-Ross.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Craig, do you want to come in on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I hope that it will work better and all.

I have a question that I would like our guests to think about; they do not have to answer it. An issue that is debated back and forth in the public domain is that of where the £60 billion-plus budget should be spent. I imagine that all the organisations that are represented here would like to receive an increase in the funding that is available to them. Garry McEwan has been very direct about that, no doubt because of the 25.5 per cent real-terms cut that his organisation has endured over the past decade.

If you would like your organisation to receive an increase in funding, could you say how much additional funding it would be appropriate for it to receive for the forthcoming financial year? In addition—this is the $64 million question, which you may or may not want to answer—if it is your position that your organisation needs extra money, please say where that money should come from. Have you identified where in the Scottish budget it should come from? Alternatively, should it come from additional taxation? I do not want everyone simply to say, “Aye, just give us more money.” That will not help us in any way, because we still have the same budget. If anyone has anything to say about where they think that money could be redirected from, I would be happy to hear from them. Do not all rush at once.

I see that Mary Morgan and Garry McEwan would like to respond—that is good.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Everyone agrees that organisations should have longer-term funding across the board. I was asking whether there is anything that you think that you should receive additional funding for now and where that should come from, or whether you support reduced taxation and reduced funding.

I am not asking you specifically; I am asking a general question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I call Liz Smith to be followed by John Mason.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In your submission, you talk a lot about digitisation of data and so on, so I was going to ask you a specific question about that, anyway. What is ROS doing to ensure that the data system, and all your tech systems, are compatible with those in other areas of the public sector? What discussions are you having across public bodies and the public sector on adopting tech that appears, from your submission, to be very innovative?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is quite astonishing that we are where we are. In contrast, we might look at the Estonian X-Road system, which is very advanced. It has everyone’s medical records on it, and the police can go into it and liaise with Interpol and various other international police services. Estonia’s system has myriad data, yet in Scotland we are still talking about producing systems that might or might not be compatible with one another. When you think about it, that is astonishing.

Is there any central leadership on that in the Scottish Government? Is there someone who speaks to each of you and says, “This is the system you should adopt and this is the way you should go forward”, or are you more or less left to do it autonomously, through discussions with one another?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you, and I should also mention that I, too, have a property that I let.

Thank you very much for that opening statement, minister. With regard to the objective here—which, frankly, is to raise money as well as having an impact on first-time buyers—what do you believe the elasticity of demand is? Will the impact on the buy-to-let sector and on second homes be mirrored by the number of people who will buy their first property? I am just creating this example out of thin air, but if there are 100 fewer buy-to-let properties, does that mean, according to the Government’s estimates, that 50 more people will be buying their houses, or will it be 150 or whatever? What is the Government’s thinking on that? How does it look at the impact of this on the sector that it is hoping to boost? What evidence is there that, when the additional dwelling supplement went to 6 per cent, there was a boost to first-time buying?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good. That is progress, because that was not the case a year ago. I will let Michael Marra come in, and then a couple of others who are keen to come in.