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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 November 2024
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I think that national insurance is perceived more favourably because people think of it in relation to the old stamp, whereby the money went directly towards their pensions or whatever.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish child payment would be another obvious example, as would some of the reserved areas that the Scottish Government mitigates, such as the bedroom tax.

I will move on a wee bit before I bring colleagues in. In your submission, Professor Heald, you talk about UK public finances being “unsustainable on present policies” and about how

“tax measures, such as the health and social care levy, add to inefficiencies and inequities rather than resolving them”.

That clearly has an impact on what happens here. How do we get round that with this review? What can we do as a Parliament, given the bigger picture of UK finances?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. Of course, people are always quite happy for other people to pay more tax, even though they themselves are never so enthusiastic—with the exception of John Mason, who is always keen to pay more tax.

I thank Emma Congreve and Professor Heald for their evidence, which was extremely helpful. The committee will consider and agree a response to the Scottish Government’s consultation on the resource spending review framework at a future meeting.

We will now take a short break before we move on to our next item of business.

11:11 Meeting suspended.  

11:19 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

The next item is evidence from the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth, Tom Arthur, on the draft amendment regulations—the so-called spring budget revision.

Mr Arthur is joined by Scottish Government officials Scott Mackay, head of fiscal management and strategy, and Niall Caldwell, corporate treasurer. I welcome you all to the meeting and I invite Mr Arthur to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I think that we need to keep an eye on that area. The Government has a commitment to build a certain number of houses, but at the same time construction inflation is at a very high level, and any budgetary reductions will militate against reaching that target.

An issue that a number of members have commented on arises in section A.3 of annex A of the supporting document. In that section, which relates to Whitehall transfers, you say:

“The largest of these”

transfers

“relates to a further instalment of the migrant health surcharge of £62.4 million.”

Can you tell us a wee bit about the migrant health surcharge?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Given that we might be seeing a significant additional number of refugees coming in over the next few months, will that increase significantly? Will you be looking at Barnett consequentials as a result of that in the months ahead?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I think that we will want to look at that a bit more in future revisions—perhaps in the autumn revision—to ensure that we are not comparing apples with oranges.

I have just one more question before I let in my colleagues, who I know have some questions of their own. On 3 February, the same day that the spring budget revision was published, the UK Government announced a package of cost of living measures with an associated consequential impact for the Scottish Government of around £290 million, which was incorporated into the Scottish budget on 10 February. It now transpires that that £290 million will not be coming forward. What are the implications of that for the Scottish budget in the spring budget revision?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I am interested in what you have to say on that, because the Scottish Parliament information centre said in its briefing for the committee that

“On the Resource (day-to-day spending) side the Scottish Government must find £98 million by 31 March to meet commitments for the next year budget year starting on 1 April”

as a result, in effect, of not receiving that £290 million.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

And if young people get jobs, they might not need to go on to such a scheme.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Kenneth Gibson

As the committee has no further questions, I thank the minister for his evidence.

Item 5 is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument. I invite the minister to move motion S6M-03203.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Scottish Landfill Tax (Standard Rate and Lower Rate) Order 2022 be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Motion agreed to.