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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 November 2024
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Absolutely. I fully appreciate that. In your report, you talk about how you expect inflation to get back to around 2 per cent. Once oil prices have jumped, and if they do not increase any more, the following year there will be zero inflation in oil prices—there is a platforming effect. I understand that you expect long-running inflation to go back to normal, rather than behave as it did in the 1979-82 phase, when inflation was at 27 to 30 per cent for two or three years.

Let me go back to taxation. In your report, you said:

“From 2024-25 the UK Government intends to reduce the basic rate of income tax to 19 per cent. The income tax BGA will reduce accordingly, thus supporting net Scottish income tax funding.”

The committee has quite a good understanding of that point, but it would be helpful if the commission were to expand on it, for the benefit of the Official Report.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kenneth Gibson

That is a question that we will probably want to put to the cabinet secretary—although I expect that, prior to the budget deliberations, she will want to plead the fifth amendment in that respect.

I have one more question before my colleagues come in. On page 18 of “Scotland’s Fiscal Outlook: The Scottish Government’s Medium-Term Financial Strategy”, it says:

“The assumption of future Barnett consequentials beyond the core Block Grant is based on analysis of historic data.”

The strategy suggests £250 million in assumed future consequentials next year and £400 million after that.

In paragraph 32 of your report summary, you talk about consequentials of £250 million, rising to £591 million in 2026-27. That is £191 million more than the figure in the MTFS. Can you talk about that? Will you also say how the Scottish Government fared in terms of its assumption about the £620 million, which the committee deliberated over considerably, and whether—or how much of—that came forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. We will be sorry to see you go. I am sure that you said that just so that we would go easy on you for the next hour, but that is not going to happen—I am sorry. [Laughter.]

You touched on key issues that the committee will ask about. The first is inflation. One of the concerns about inflation is that the gross domestic product deflator of about 2.4 per cent is not realistic relative to the retail prices index. I see Professor Breedon nodding.

Understandably, we face a lot of public sector pay demands. There will be a real reduction in disposable incomes—in fact, we should note that there will be a reduction in nominal earnings before we think about taxation and disposable income. The overall figure for the economy is a 2.7 per cent reduction, but is there a difference between the private and public sectors?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Of course.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

We will finish on that point. I thank the Deputy First Minister for his frank and detailed responses to our questions, and I also thank him and his officials for attending. That concludes the evidence-gathering part of our national performance framework inquiry, and we will consider a draft report after the summer recess.

We will take a short break before we move to our next item of business.

10:58 Meeting suspended.  

11:07 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

From your response, it seems that you are saying that the strategy is based on a lot of the work that Skills Development Scotland is doing in the area—would that be right? That was not really what I was asking about; I was asking what you were going to change or do differently as a result of the strategy. You talked about what is being done around, for example, the green jobs programme from last August. Has the strategy been built on some of your work as opposed to the other way round?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

The unemployment rate is about 3.7 per cent in the UK, and in Scotland it is a record low of 3.2 per cent. However, is that a realistic figure? For example, we understand that the percentage of people who are economically active in Scotland is more or less the same as the percentage for the UK—it is 75.6 per cent, which is 1.1 per cent lower than the UK—but is that a realistic figure for full-time involvement in the economy? What percentage of those people are less than fully economically active and are working part time? Is there hidden unemployment? I understand that Sheffield Hallam University produced a study that showed that there are more than 1 million people who should be included in the unemployment figures but are not. What is the real picture? I think that, on paper, the picture looks rosier than is really the case. A lot of that is possibly because it is a time of huge vacancies in certain skills and there is a geographical mismatch of jobs and skilled people.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. Michelle Thomson is next, to be followed by Daniel Johnson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that opening statement. You hit the nail on the head, because the most significant issues that have come out of the evidence sessions so far have been accountability and budgeting for outcomes. That has certainly been what I have been hearing. In the round-table session and in others, a number of witnesses made those points. The Scottish Leaders Forum said:

“typically, the NPF is not actively used to shape scrutiny, provide sponsorship, undertake commissioning of work or shape the allocation of funding.”

Witnesses have said that the national performance framework could be more closely linked to budget planning. Questions have been asked about that, but no real answers have been forthcoming. How can we make the national performance framework more responsive to those concerns?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I feel somewhat frustrated, because there is so much else that we could ask questions about, from the rural and islands productivity lag to research and development and the core growth sectors. However, I will finish by asking a couple of quick questions.

First, people at school often assume that, whether they get an apprenticeship or go to university or whatever, they will get a job working for someone. I do not know that enough is being done to try to teach what we might call entrepreneurial skills. It is accepted across the Parliament that Scotland has a low rate of new business start-ups relative to the rest of the UK and beyond. What is Skills Development Scotland doing to address that? At what level should it be addressed? Should it be addressed in schools, for example?

I will ask my second question now as well. It is about people with disabilities, which we have not touched on. I remember that, when I was a councillor way back in the 1990s, there was a policy that, if possible, 3 per cent of all employees should be people with disabilities. Interestingly enough, the public sector lagged behind the private sector in that regard. There have been a number of initiatives over the years to try to increase the number of people with disabilities in the workforce, in order to improve productivity and those people’s quality of life.

My questions are on those two issues: entrepreneurial skills and people with disabilities.