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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that, frankly, revaluation is electorally toxic because of the impact of loss aversion on those whose council taxes would rise.

At Westminster, Labour has a majority of more than 150 and I am not seeing any big moves to change the system down there, which it could do without facing anything like the difficulty that we have here. It would face the same issues that any Government would face, as we do in Scotland.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am referring not to portfolios but to specific projects, if you know what I mean. Money might be allocated to transport or whatever, but there is no pipeline that allows us to see what is being prioritised in particular portfolio spends, which is what the committee is keen to see.

We do not want there to be a considerable capital underspend this time next year. I know that it is very difficult for the Government because, with a 12 per cent increase in a year, you could end up with inflation if the capacity of the workforce to deliver what the Government wants does not exist. We do not want a 2 per cent increase in delivery and a 10 per cent increase in costs because of it. We are keen to see the budget being delivered in the most economically effective way.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is four months away, and this session of Parliament has only another 13 months to run. A lot of the details in the response are about things that would seem to be fairly reasonable if we had another five years in the parliamentary session. However, from what I can ascertain, there seems to be not a lot of urgency in some of the work. My colleagues might think differently—although I would be surprised if they did—but these things just seem to roll on.

Incidentally, yesterday, the Minister for Public Finance, Ivan McKee, had a summit with a body of leaders about moving forward to look at public service reform and—lo and behold!—to develop a strategy on that. We still have strategies coming out of our ears.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes stage 2 consideration of the bill. I thank the cabinet secretary. The stage 3 debate is due to take place next Tuesday.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. Our next agenda item, which will be taken in private, is consideration of a proposed contingent liability.

11:51 Meeting continued in private until 12:26.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is all connected to the financial year 2025-26, which starts in just a few weeks. Why have we not got sight of that? What is actually contained in the capital pipeline for 2025-26?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Amendment 1, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 2 to 6.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One of the responses is about strategies. It says that the

“Strategy and Delivery Directorate will undertake an exercise across portfolios to identify the number of ‘live’ strategies, to provide a baseline for numbers to be monitored and reduced wherever possible.”

When will that exercise conclude? When is the deadline for it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Those figures are very helpful.

I understand that £144 million is being allocated to local government. However, as yet, local authorities have not received the breakdown of how that will be distributed.

Secondly, councils have said that, collectively, their procurement costs will rise by around £85 million because the people that they procure from have also been hit by the increase in costs and so they are putting their prices up.

Thirdly, a lot of third-sector organisations will be affected—I think that the impact is about £75 million. The impact on universities will be about £45 million. There will also be an impact on the independent care home sector. Those organisations are expecting the Scottish Government to step in and somehow provide funding. What is the situation in those areas?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That would be really helpful. That has been called for for many years, including by the Scottish Government, so it is good that we are making progress.

One thing that you said in your response to our report is that, should money become available, you might try to abolish the two-child limit. How will that be remotely possible, given what we have just talked about? Our universities, the third sector, the independent care sector and all areas in the public sector are under pressure—and not just because of inflation and all the rest of it. Would abolishing the measure be prioritised over, for example, providing money to the organisations in the public sector for which the Government is already responsible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is all right—many of your colleagues have done so privately. [Laughter.]