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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 November 2024
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. However, the point that I am trying to make is that, as Ross Greer said in the previous evidence session, a lot of the capital funding is going on critical safety and maintenance. The amount for road improvements is quite low—it is only £124 million. The issue is that the trunk road network maintenance and safety aspect is taking up the bulk of the capital, which is why local government is not getting the capital that it requires to do the pavements and side streets, which are also extremely important for people.

Does anyone else want to make any points?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, well—newspapers are another story.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is a matter for bartering, discussion and debate among the political parties. At this time of year, representatives of each of the political parties will speak to the Deputy First Minister to see whether they can shift the dial on the budget in one direction or another. There will not be any more money from anywhere, unlike in the good old days of Derek Mackay’s sofa. It is a question of moving the money from one page of the budget to another page. If colleges make a really good argument, it will no doubt be to the detriment of somebody else. That is the way it works when you have a budget that is, in effect, shrinking.

The theory is that they use what is called the GDP deflator, which means that inflation is set at 1.7 per cent in the budget. We all know that inflation is not 1.7 per cent, but that is how it is measured, because the UK Treasury GDP deflator is used. A 2.6 per cent increase in resource is probably a reduction in the real world, because more than half of the money that is spent here goes on salaries and wages and nobody is getting 2.6 per cent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Figures for local government show that the general capital grant is falling from £607.6 million to £476.9 million, which is about a 19 per cent reduction.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will let Jenny Peachy in and then we will go round the table. People can volunteer as to who wants to go first. If you do not, I will just pick somebody. Stacey Dingwall will go last, because she went first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

It was going to be you anyway, so well guessed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I thank everyone for their contributions and for coming along today; it has been a very helpful discussion. Next week, we will continue to take evidence on the Scottish budget when we hear from the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body on its budget bid, and from the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance.

Meeting closed at 12:50.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Professor Bell, what is your view of the three missions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

What does João Sousa feel about economic growth in terms of poverty?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I thank our witnesses. We have overrun our time considerably, because of the interesting questions that were asked and the very interesting responses that we received. I would normally ask the witnesses if they have any final points to make, but we do not have time for that. I therefore simply thank you, and we will now take a break until 11.35, when we will hear from our next panel.

11:31 Meeting suspended.  

11:35 On resuming—