Skip to main content

Language: English / Gàidhlig

Loading…

Seòmar agus comataidhean

Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

Criathragan Hide all filters

Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 April 2025
Select which types of business to include


Select level of detail in results

Displaying 604 contributions

|

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

What statement have I made that is factually incorrect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

I never said that you instructed the committee. I never said that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

All of that is an argument for all parties to provide a more nuanced description of what they promise before an election. We have heard some very positive comments from previous witnesses about achievements in relation to the attainment target. The progress that has been made has been mentioned a number of times, as has the fact that progress has gone slightly backwards. However, there is now a real expectation that things will improve further again. In many respects, what has happened is quite remarkable. Very often, you would not think that from the committee’s deliberations, but there has been a remarkable change over that period, which is looked upon with some envy by other parts of the UK.

However—this is not a trite point; it is quite a serious point—as well as learning lessons from the challenges, including about the things that you still have to do, if you learn lessons from what has succeeded, that includes things that have succeeded unintentionally, if you follow my drift. The Government has achieved certain things and wants to go further, and the committee has discussed how we can better measure what it has achieved, for example, through free school meals. Has the Government done work to learn from what has succeeded, so that you can do more or tweak it? If progress is going to become more and more difficult, because of the numbers that are left to bring up to the required level, what has the Government learned from what has gone well?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge: Post-inquiry Scrutiny

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

We all have our own subjective experiences. On Monday this week, I went to a secondary school—Lornshill academy in Alloa—where three young men with remarkable innovative ideas were putting together an engineering project for a competition. That afternoon, I went to Abercromby primary school. Both schools are in areas of very high deprivation, but what struck me was that almost every child in the class asked me a question. I have been doing this for 18 years and that is not the norm. On Friday, I will go to Strathdevon primary school, where the pupils are doing a Scottish Opera production. So, intuitively, it seems to me that things have developed.

However, I want to ask about setting the target in the first place. You mentioned that we are moving towards 2026, which is an election year, and all the parties will want to make commitments. Is there something inherently flawed about setting a target when the Scottish Government—any Scottish Government—cannot guarantee the outcome? There will be external factors, such as austerity, Liz Truss’s budget or a pandemic. We would probably not have thought of a pandemic, but we know that there will always be certain levers that are not at the Scottish Government’s disposal. This is a cross-Government issue. Is it sensible to set targets when you are not in control of whether or not you will achieve them?

Accountability is surely an issue because, if what I have said is the case, it becomes much more difficult for the public to ascribe responsibility to anyone for a failure to achieve a target.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

I am happy to—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

You interrupt everybody else all the time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

Could I ask my question, please?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

I will continue on the grounds that I intended to go on. I know that you interrupt witnesses at every opportunity, not allowing them to answer, but interrupting committee members when they are asking a question is overstepping the mark. Can you allow me to ask a question without interrupting again?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

You can see what we have to deal with in this committee, cabinet secretary.

The rationale that I was trying to develop is that, to an impartial observer, the proposal before us seems, I imagine, an eminently sensible thing to do, although they might not be fully aware of the strictures of making appointments in an ethical way, which takes time. If we agree to the order today, or if we do not make representations on it, there is nothing that means any amendments to the Education (Scotland) Bill might be lost or cannot be carried. The committee has the right to come up with whatever amendments it wants, and the Parliament has the right to decide on them.

Today, the Government is simply going through a sensible process. Do you agree that, if the Government were to not go through the regulated appointments process, it would be pilloried for not proceeding in the correct way?

10:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

It is hard to see why any member would not want the appointments process to be carried out in that way.

Thank you for your answers.