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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 April 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Keith Brown

This has been a really interesting discussion, even though it is probably not completely aligned with the nature of our inquiry.

I first came across the Alice and Humpty Dumpty quote in A level politics, not in literature. I do not think that that means that Humpty Dumpty was a politician, but perhaps Lewis Carroll was. The quote is something like, “When I choose a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean,” or words to that effect.

If we have to choose how we regulate, surely one of the fundamental things is that we should take a rights-based approach. We should all know when AI is being used, and we should have some explanation of how it is being used—in theory, even if we do not understand it—at the point at which we consume it. I realise that that is more difficult in the security space, but it applies generally.

I should say that the convener mentioned that she and the deputy convener are on the EU-UK Parliamentary Partnership Assembly, and I am on the Council of Europe, and those bodies discuss the issue quite a lot.

Especially if we have platforms that are produced elsewhere and we are trying to overlay a regulatory system on those, surely individuals must have the right to know when and how AI is being used.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

Could you not interrupt me when I am asking my question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

I do not need clarification; I am fine with—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

I do not need your clarification.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

I never said that. You have just made a false statement, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

This is what happens when you interrupt people in the normal course of the committee’s business.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

Is it possible—I will let you answer fully without interrupting—that you could say one or two things about the strictures that you are observing in relation to ethical appointments? What is the rationale for your doing so? There seems to be a gap in the committee’s knowledge of what the requirements are in relation to ethical appointments.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

Good morning. I should say that I am quite new to the committee, and I am not that keen on being lumped in if statements are made along the lines of, “The committee believes this,” when I have not had a chance to take evidence and make up my mind in relation to the matter. I find the questioning bizarre. I will make a series of observations, and then perhaps you can tell me if any of them are wrong, cabinet secretary.

From the public’s point of view, the situation will be very hard to understand, unless you are an adherent of the idea of the multiverse, where there is an infinite number of universes that you should plan contingencies for. It might make sense in that regard. It seems that you are doing a straightforward thing of ensuring that appointments to a public body—the principle of which was agreed at stage 1 of the Education (Scotland) Bill, I think—are done in an ethical way and are overseen by the relevant regulatory bodies, which is very important in public appointments. That is not something that most people would object to; they will probably be surprised at some of the questioning around it.

The Government has been accused of having an agenda and a direction. I would certainly hope that the Government has an agenda and a direction. Perhaps it is because there are other agendas that we are hearing some of the questioning. What is being done seems to be eminently sensible and not unusual.

On the idea that something might happen at stage 2, I would say that this committee does not make legislation; it is part of the legislative process. It is the Parliament that decides on these things. Of course the Government will have to listen to that.

It seems to be eminently sensible to make provisions now so that you do not lose time. I do not know why anybody would not want to support the proposal; it is very odd to me. The convener seems to be suggesting that the committee might not want to support it, but I would certainly want to support it. I am happy to—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

I know you interrupt people all the time, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Keith Brown

Are we not allowed to make statements when we ask questions?