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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

It is a source of regret that there has been no reform, which has needed to happen, and we are back to having the same debates.

My offer is to work with all the parties to find areas where progress can be made—if it is fairly limited, that is still better than nothing. We will see where we get to in the various discussions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I think that we can forget about it for the foreseeable future.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Of course. I do not disagree with the First Minister—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Well, it was noted and agreed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I agree that we have a limited set of arrangements through the fiscal framework. A little bit of progress has been made, but, as the committee is well aware, that is only on the margins, and the additional borrowing capacity can be used only to address negative reconciliations and so on. Along with the Welsh and Northern Irish, our aspiration is to have a prudent borrowing capability such as local authorities have. We are on the same page in that respect.

A structure of reviews is supposed to take place every five years but not more than once in any UK or Scottish electoral cycle. That is what was agreed back when the framework was agreed to. The next review is due in 2028, but we have had a change of Government and, if the UK Labour Government were up for it, we would be keen to kick off a review much earlier. We will continue to press for that. If there is new thinking, which I hope there is, we should get on and look at the limitations.

The Welsh, in particular, are very up for that. They have been leading the charge for some time on prudential borrowing powers. As the committee knows, we work closely with the devolved Administrations on what we agree on, and we have put together some areas that we think we should get a hearing on, which we are pushing through the FISC. We will continue to do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

The one that we asked to be taken forward was the one that we got the detailed information on, although we did debate and discuss other options that were based on the evidence brought to us by a range of child poverty organisations.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I am hoping that, when we see the ambition of the projects, we will be able to put a figure on what is going to be delivered, but we need to be as ambitious as possible.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Let me reassure you. Normally, comprehensive spending reviews happen when there is a change of Government. We have seen that with the UK Labour Government conducting a spending review for its priorities. We find ourselves in the final year of this session with the UK Government having undertaken a spending review that has a direct impact on what our spending will be.

I have undertaken that we will start the spending review process. We can complete that, but I am cognisant of the fact that there may be another set of spending changes following the 2026 election. The wording was to acknowledge that that timeframe is perhaps suboptimal, this being the year before an election, potentially with a change of direction to come, depending on the spending priorities of the incoming Administration.

Please let me assure you that the work has already kicked off at pace and we will come back with the timeline of what will be completed by when.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I do not accept that. The figure of £200 million that was referred to earlier is a saving that has been generated by doing things differently. There has been an absolutely clear direction of travel. The public sector must reform and must do things differently.

What is different is that we are now getting into the granular detail of how each part of the public sector will contribute to that and be held to account. The invest to save fund is a way of incentivising and turbocharging some of that work. The point that I made earlier about avoiding use of blunt tools was about the health service. If we are going to be able to deliver additional appointments and procedures—as we must—that will require additional workforce or better and more efficient use of the existing workforce. Productivity in the NHS is a key part of that.

We have a minister who is focusing on a new level of detail and—to quote a phrase—getting underneath the bonnet to look at what is happening in each organisation in a way that they may not have seen before. That is what is happening now, and it will help to deliver the pace that we need.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I will bring in Jenny Barugh in a second. Bear in mind the fact that, when we faced this before, the actual figure that we ended up with was much less. Given the past position, I am hopeful that the figure will come down significantly before we get to that stage.

On borrowing powers, we recognise the need sometimes to smooth out bumps in the road. There has been an increase to £600 million, which is helpful. However, I hope that the figure that you mentioned will reduce significantly.