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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I will come back to you, because some of those points are still to be agreed with COSLA.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I might have misspoken when I said that. “Misspoken” might be too strong a term, but I would rephrase it. It is more that Councillor Hagmann has been engaging with Opposition spokespeople on COSLA’s behalf, which is absolutely fine. We will do the next phase, which is about building consensus, jointly. I hope that makes sense.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

There was no scorecard that said, “This is the range of options and this is compared with that.” There were ministerial discussions on a number of occasions about what evidence other organisations, including child poverty organisations, had brought to us. I mentioned some of them earlier. As one, they said that other things could be done but that that was the one thing that would make the biggest impact. Ministers were being challenged by the First Minister to look at what more could be done to tackle child poverty, and that was the one option that emerged with support from all the child poverty organisations.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

The advice that came back was about costings and the likely impact on the number of children who would be kept out of poverty. The 15,000 figure has been superseded to some degree by the Fraser of Allander Institute saying that it could be higher than that and that

“20,000 children would be kept out of poverty”.

At the time, that work was presented to us in terms of the costings. The SFC has now given us its analysis of the costings, which is at the higher end of what we had thought.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

It is the third sector organisations that we took advice from. Bearing in mind the fact that we have a statutory duty to reduce child poverty rates, the First Minister asked us to go further in tackling child poverty and so he charged us to go further in discussions with those child poverty organisations. Mitigating the two-child cap was their clear recommendation to us.

After ministers discussed that at some length, we asked for costings and how many children would be lifted out of poverty and so on, and that is what is in front of Parliament, for it to vote for or not to vote for.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

No. No ministerial direction has been required. In the context of civil service, every policy and spend will be reminders of the overall fiscal position and sustainability. That happens with every policy. However, Michael, your party wanted us to do it from this April, which would have had an even bigger cost, about which the Scottish Fiscal Commission might have had something to say. I think that we are all agreed on the policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

In advance of September, I am happy to brigade together, across portfolios, the projects that are in the public domain. One of the largest projects is HMP Glasgow—there is considerable capital investment in that new prison—and I have talked about affordable housing. We could brigade other projects together across portfolios if that would be helpful.

The infrastructure investment plan will give a line of sight for multiyear projects—when they will begin their process, the earlier stages in the business cases and their delivery. We need multiyear capital envelopes in order to give certainty to the public sector in relation to taking forward projects.

In response to your question, convener, if we can provide further information across portfolios, and if it would be helpful to brigade that information in one place in advance of that work, I will be happy to come back to the committee with that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I do not believe that the chancellor had no options that could have avoided the impact that the employer national insurance contribution hike will have. Whether through income tax or wealth taxes, various options were available to the chancellor that she would probably have preferred, but she boxed herself in to not being able to use them, and this is the result.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

If you were to ask the chancellor whether she thinks that it has been a success, she would probably express huge concerns about what is now unfolding. These are debates that will, no doubt, be had this afternoon, but as far as I am concerned, the ENICs increase is a tax on the public sector and businesses that will have an impact for quite some time. As a lever, it seems to fly in the face of the policy objective of economic growth.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Let us see whether I can improve on that.