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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 November 2024
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

If things had continued, and the money was going to come with the power, as we had planned for—the power has come to us, but not the money—we would be delivering a winter fuel payment on a universal basis from Scotland this winter. The fact that that did not happen meant that we had to stop the work, and Social Security Scotland stopped its recruitment, because we could not possibly have set up a whole system to pay people for one year, delaying the block grant adjustment for a year, then saying, “Oh well, you’re going now.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

The reconciliation of the money happens either this year or next year. There is no gain—it is just a question of in which year the money is reconciled.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

I go back to the point that I made earlier about us having a bit of self-regulation. I am going to write to the committee with the detail of our assumptions on that. However, we have internal rules about what our assumptions are, and we have the £3 billion limit. Fiscal framework adjustments have been helpful for inflation proofing those elements of the framework. However, we want to ensure that anything that we do in relation to capital debt is deemed to be prudent and affordable.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

I think that it was assumed that there was an alignment with the objectives. It is not that the programme for government was saying that everything that had gone before was not important; instead, it was elevating things of absolutely critical importance and saying that they would come first and foremost in the budget discussion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

No. I look forward to further engagement with the committee on the budget as we go forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

I do not accept that. However, I accept that we have, in essence, been trying to make a budget work through a set of absolutely chaotic UK Government decisions, although those decisions have now become less chaotic. Looking to 2025-26 and beyond, that is extremely helpful.

However, trying to set a budget, pay policy or anything else with absolutely no idea of the funding that you will get is really difficult. This might sound basic, but our having an idea earlier in the year what the budget will be and what funding we can expect to receive from the UK Government would be transformational.

I will mention one point before it goes out of my head. Anyone who is involved in negotiations understands their complexity, and the importance of not driving pay inflation and of recognising that it is not just about pay but about making efficiencies, as part of the settlement. For example, in rail, part of the pay deal was linked to making efficiencies.

I would not cut the health budget in order to have contingency in case the pay increase goes up to 5 per cent. Instead, we would look at anything that was above the parameters that we have set to be paid for through efficiency gains and productivity gains. We have to be careful about what we say in pay policy, otherwise it drives scenarios that are not helpful for the public purse. I do not want to cut budgets while we are in the process of negotiating, because that just drives wage inflation. We have to be careful about what we are setting out and what our expectations are.

I will, of course—I do—look carefully at comments from the Fraser of Allander Institute, the SFC and others. However, I re-emphasise how complex pay is and how important it is for us to be very careful about how we land pay policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

A number of capital projects are on-going. What we are talking about is having a line of sight and certainty for those that have yet to begin. We could just say what we think we can do, but the fact is that a lot of money can be expended in the early days of a project in preparing business cases and so on. Therefore, I would prefer to wait until spring, which is not far off.

My expectation with regard to the Treasury is that we will not have to wait until some day in spring until we get all the information. The flow of information has become much better and we will—I hope—get indications of the direction of travel, which will ensure that, come spring, I can publish, as intended, the infrastructure investment pipeline alongside the medium-term financial strategy. It will use that longer horizon. I hope that that will give certainty and allow a larger number of projects to be taken forward.

At the moment, we are still facing the cut in capital funding. If I were to take what was in the infrastructure investment pipeline and apply that cut in capital, a number of projects would be unable to proceed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

My officials will get that note for you in a second. I have attended all but one or two of those meetings, which have been productive, with quite a wide range of views in the room, as you would imagine.

In addition to the tax strategy group, I have also had meetings with key stakeholders in advance of the publication of the tax strategy to take a wider range of views on what that strategy should do and what it should help us to achieve, and to test the draft objectives.

I am looking at my officials to see whether we have that note.

The group has met three times this year and there has been additional work between meetings to get us to our current advanced point, so I have been able to go out to the wider group of stakeholders with that product.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

It has met three times this year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Shona Robison

The tax strategy seeks to do a number of things. It is about providing certainty for taxpayers and raising awareness of our system. That issue was raised quite strongly in the wider forum. Stakeholders were concerned about the lack of awareness of the UK and Scottish tax systems, so we must look at ways of sharing information and raising awareness.