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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Okay. Thanks very much.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

From the written evidence, for which we are very grateful, and the oral evidence so far, it has come across that there are some really big-ticket issues that need to be addressed. What difference has been made as regards engagement with Environmental Standards Scotland? It is now sitting there, but I was struck by Scottish Environment LINK’s comment that it

“welcomes the acceptance that Scotland is in breach of the access to justice requirements of the Aarhus Convention in relation to costs”.

How do we ensure that a difference is made in that respect?

Perhaps we can start with Lloyd Austin. There seems to be a big gap between what Environmental Standards Scotland was meant to achieve and the narrowness of what has been expected of it thus far. Once Lloyd has commented, we can pick up what the other submissions had to say.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Have you analysed the different costs of increasing modal shift? We have lost so many bus services. Part of the issue is how you stabilise and sustain those services, as the minister has said, but it also about creating new services that attract people, which could be a matter of timings or routes. The community bus fund is £1 million. Is there some issue with start-up costs in order to get this going? Is that the block? Having introduced the 2001 act, I know that there is a huge gap between having the powers available and actually using them.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

I am sorry—I was using the fund.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

I was going to move on—the example was given beautifully, actually—to SEPA and Scottish Water on what difference has actually been made. I will pick up the point that Bridget made about wellbeing and sustainable development. There is Scottish Government work in considering policy and legislation, and there is my member’s bill. What difference is ESS is making to relationships? I ask SEPA first, then Scottish Water.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Thanks. Does Scottish Water have a particular perspective on the matter?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

I was thinking about the upcoming human rights legislation, which may propose a new human right to a healthy environment, and about how that would be delivered in practice with both an enforcement framework and different legal and non-judicial opportunities for redress. How does that relate, following on from Ben Macpherson’s questions about an environmental court and linking into Aarhus convention compliance? I can see a couple of nods. I do not know who wants to kick off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Thank you, convener. If you look at my entry in the register of members’ interests, you will find that I am a member of a number of organisations, which I have declared. The main declaration to make is that I was the cabinet secretary who introduced the Transport (Scotland) Act 2001. I say that just for peoples’ interest.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

That is really useful. Does anyone else want to come in on the back of that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Yes, that is really helpful. It links into the issue of the extent to which Environmental Standards Scotland has functioned in the way that people expected. I can see some nodding from Dr Shivali Fifield and Professor Sarah Hendry. Does one of you want to kick off on that?