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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Stephen Smellie, do you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Kevin Lindsay, do you want to come in? I presume that there is an opportunity to have such a plan, now that ScotRail is run by the Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

I have a quick follow-up question on the cost issue. If you get more passengers on trains, I presume that the benefits include being able to plan ahead with a different number of rail carriages. For example, we know that getting on the last train from Fife to Edinburgh can be a nightmare, but if the provision is better planned, is that not good for the system? If the trains carried more passengers, compared with buses, that might mean that there would be fewer cars on the roads, so the buses would be more efficient, too. Is there a trade-off or a crossover here?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Thank you. I, too, declare that I am a member of Unison.

I have a question that follows on from our discussion with the first panel. Although there has been a bounce-back since the pandemic, bus and rail passenger numbers are lower than they were before Covid. Those stats are quite stark. The previous panel had a lot to say about what puts people off using trains and buses. What can we do to attract more people to use trains and buses?

I am open about who goes first. Perhaps Gordon Martin could kick off the answers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

There are missed opportunities, are there not? There is lots of infrastructure, but we are not maximising its use. The rail freight industry lobbied us recently about that. You cannot get from ferries on to the mainland and straight on to rail infrastructure, which would take a lot of stuff off our roads. Do witnesses have any other thoughts on how we can integrate that and get planning? Frustratingly, I have been discussing this issue since 1999, not just in the past decade. What would be your top priorities to make it happen? Stephen Smellie, you stuck your hand up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Does that mean that capital investment for bus infrastructure is needed to make bus services more accessible and bus stops more usable and safe?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

The points about working from home are interesting. In fact, we are beginning to see a shift away from working at home, and people might have to get to work every day.

Jackson Cullinane, do you want to respond to my initial question about how to encourage people to use buses and trains?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

We have talked a lot about the fact that concerns about reliability put people off using public transport. We have focused on buses, but it is also an issue with regard to rail. How do we ensure that choices are available for people? We have talked about rural areas, but communities on the edge of urban areas are in exactly the same position with regard to not having services. What should we do to address the issues that prevent people from using bus and rail? I ask Robert Samson to talk about Transport Focus’s research on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

That is really well put—thanks for that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Yes. We need to think about a joined-up approach. You have all talked about unreliable bus services. That is partly due to road congestion, but if it costs that much to get a train, it is a very difficult choice for people to make.