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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

We genuinely hope that that is the Government’s intention, but, unless the bill guarantees us that scrutiny will take place, the committee might not be able to see a draft of the plan. I suppose that I am asking for a commitment that the Government will lay a draft, that the committee will have time to scrutinise it and that Government will listen to the feedback that we gain from speaking to stakeholders about it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

I want to press home this point, because all the communication that we are getting from the industry is that it does not know what is going to happen. The longer that people wait, the more fearful they become.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

I am unsure whether you have understood the intent of my amendment, which is to allow muirburn as opposed to other methods of heather control.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

You seem to be indicating that my amendment encourages cutting heather and other fuel load rather than burning it, but it does not—it is the very opposite, actually.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

I totally get what the cabinet secretary is saying about the difference between the bill and the plan. The bill has to be wide, but it is the rural support plan that could make or break businesses and which will show the direction of travel for agriculture. That is why people want to see a draft of what the Government’s thinking is. It does not need to be nailed down at this point, but it is why we are getting so many representations on it.

The bill does not really provide for much scrutiny of the plan. Where is the consultation? Where is the monitoring and evaluation? Where is the parliamentary scrutiny? If people knew that the plan was going to be scrutinised—not in the same way as the bill, but still scrutinised closely—it would give them a degree of comfort that they would be able to feed in their views. If the first iteration was not right, people could go back to the drawing board. The real fear is that, in 2025, it will be a case of take it or leave it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

I think that my supplementary question has been answered.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

The code is part of the overarching aim of the bill, but it is a tool, so it is not prescriptive—is that what you are saying? How will you achieve the overarching aim of the bill if the code is not prescriptive?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

Would you allow somebody who did not comply with the code of practice to draw down funds under the scheme?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

Cabinet secretary, you are not really giving us any reassurance on this incredibly important issue. I think that we all understand why you have not put a definition in the bill, but what you are saying would sway us towards having a definition in the bill. You are saying that the definition in the code of practice will not be scrutinised but that it should and would underpin the future development of how people access funding.

I ask again, how will the code of practice be consulted on and overseen? From what I can figure out from the bill, it will be laid before Parliament for no other reason than for information. Should the definition be scrutinised by Parliament much more thoroughly?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Rhoda Grant

I am glad that the minister has heard the concerns about this part of the bill. I understand the frustration that is felt by SSPCA officers who are called out because of animal welfare concerns and who are unable to do anything, despite seeing illegal activities. However, there are also concerns about empowering a third sector organisation to provide law enforcement.

I lodged my amendments 141 and 142 to ensure that the issue will be looked at and that there will be no unintended consequences, but I take on board what the minister has said about considering the matter before stage 3. I will be pleased to do that, so I do not intend to move amendments 141 and 142. I look forward to those discussions.