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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 October 2024
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

I agree with what has been said and will try not to repeat those points.

I would have been minded to support a motion to annul but I am content with what has been said. I note that the SSI includes the power to suspend purposeful activity and visitation rights and to detain prisoners in their cells if a health professional has said that there is cause for concern around coronavirus. I acknowledge that there are reasons to have those powers but I agree with Jamie Greene and Katy Clark that the committee needs to keep a watchful eye on the length of time for which the powers are in force and the consistency of governors’ decisions. As the cabinet secretary has indicated to the committee that he would be happy to return to the matter, I am content to do nothing other than to note the instrument.

Criminal Justice Committee

Legal Aid

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

My final question is for Colin Lancaster. The SSBA’s submission states:

“The current system of legal aid is not conducive to early resolution of cases. There are significant gaps in funding available at the early stages in the process and the system fails to adequately recognise the preparation and responsibility involved in negotiating early pleas.”

Do you agree with that statement? Could there be a better system, in which early payment was made to ensure that early pleas were made? After all, that is what we would want in any court system.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

Can you confirm that you are revoking the power relating to the restriction of newspapers and reading materials? Will that provision now be allowed?

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse, Gendered Violence and Sexual Offences (Priorities in Session 6)

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

I was going to come on to that, but I might as well ask you now, as you are on the screen. What is your view on the complete removal of juries from cases of rape or attempted rape?

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse, Gendered Violence and Sexual Offences (Priorities in Session 6)

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

I know that. I just want to know what your position is. If we remove the not proven verdict, there could be a majority of one, and you would not have any concerns about that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse, Gendered Violence and Sexual Offences (Priorities in Session 6)

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

First, I will ask Sandy Brindley to go back to where she left off, on the jury majority issue. I want to be clear in my own mind that you would be comfortable with a majority of one if we remove the not proven verdict. I note what you say about a fully unanimous jury verdict being rare; I think that in England, a two-thirds majority is required. Are you comfortable that a conviction for rape or attempted rape in the High Court could be achieved with a majority of one?

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse, Gendered Violence and Sexual Offences (Priorities in Session 6)

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

That is helpful—thank you.

My second question is to Ronnie Renucci of the Faculty of Advocates. There is quite a lot in your submission, but I will try to narrow it down. I note the faculty’s concerns about the setting up of specialist courts. In your evidence to the committee, you point out that the High Court is already a specialist court. You have concerns about the specific proposal, suggesting that it might downgrade the status or importance of the crime of rape. I wonder whether you wish to say something in response to that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse, Gendered Violence and Sexual Offences (Priorities in Session 6)

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

Staying with the general background, I have a question for Dr Marsha Scott. Everyone seems to be painting a bleak picture. I have been following the issue closely, and I have written to the Lord Advocate.

I note the statistics that Moira Price used. It seems to me that violence against women throughout the United Kingdom, and probably globally, is getting worse. Marsha Scott talked about how the underlying issue is the need for women’s inequality to be resolved. I have been reading in the press about teenage girls of 13 and 14—and some boys, but particularly girls—being bullied to provide nude photographs of themselves.

I am tying all of that together in my own mind. Violence against women by men seems to me to be worse than it was when I first became a politician, in 1999. I follow the international trends. It is a depressing picture.

Marsha Scott, do you agree with that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse, Gendered Violence and Sexual Offences (Priorities in Session 6)

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

I note from your submission that you oppose the removal of juries. You will have heard Sandy Brindley talk about another way—about having a judge with lay assessors—and about providing a video for juries to watch in advance, which Lady Dorrian proposed. Would any of those things work or make any difference to outcomes?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Pauline McNeill

Lastly, I ask Teresa Medhurst to answer that question.