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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. We will not have time to answer all my questions, but I would like to put a marker down to say that you are going awfully fast with the reform, and I plead with you to give the committee some time to understand it. Like John Swinney, I support a lot of the reforms because we need to end the churn, but I have some concerns about some of the human rights issues that are attached to virtual elements. You might have heard me talk about the shambles of virtual custodies at Glasgow sheriff court. The sheriff said that herself, and I agreed with it.

I moved an amendment to some emergency Covid legislation that the Government accepted so that virtual custodies could not proceed, so I do not understand why your written submission says otherwise. Can you explain that to me? How can you proceed against the legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Can we have a further exchange on that? I moved an amendment, as part of Covid emergency legislation, against virtual custodies, because I can assure you that I saw a complete shambles. That is my concern about the reform. Is there going to be some further discussion about that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Well, I see what you mean when you put it like that, but what is the point if the court proceedings then last twice as long as they used to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

You can understand why I was—

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. My first set of questions also follows on from what Rona Mackay asked about. We need to understand, in some detail, what David Page said about the reduction in head count of 800. That is a significant number. To be clear, is that police officers and staff?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

But inflation is considerably higher than that. Are you projecting that it will come down to 2 per cent?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Do you mean the Government guidance?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. My time for questions is passing—it is amazing how quickly time goes, even though 10 minutes seems like a long time—so I will now ask the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service witnesses to answer one or two questions.

Ross Haggart, as you know, other members and I have raised the issue of decontamination facilities. I understand at least the basics of the difference between the revenue and capital budgets. What progress will we be able to make with regard to getting shower facilities and other required facilities to keep fire and rescue officers safe? Do you have concerns about your ability to do that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

That was helpful. Delays in the High Court and the law on 140 days are long-standing issues for me, and in answer to Donald Cameron, you said that you do not see it reaching pre-pandemic levels. Is there a target that you are aiming for?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Finally, Stephen McGowan, what is needed to prevent losing the 200 people from the service that you mentioned to Katy Clark? Did you mention a figure?