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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 November 2024
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Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

I really welcome that. I would go so far as to say that, if that practice had continued in such cases, someone—I do not know who—should have been able to intervene and say no. It is so fundamentally oppressive to the victim for that to happen; I was quite shocked by it.

I want to ask about the specialist courts—this question may be for Danielle McLaughlin. Maybe I have not understood this correctly. Is there any reason why the specialist courts cannot be part of the High Court, or is that the intention? It is confusing. It has been suggested that the sentencing power should be 10 years. To my mind, that means that rape cases cannot be brought to a specialist court, because they must go to the High Court—unless you are going to tell me that I am wrong about that.

I support the idea, but I have some issues with a specialist court—I have to be honest about that. We have been here before, when there was a suggestion of grading crimes of rape. Obviously there would be concerns about any suggestion of downgrading if it looked as though such a case was going to a different court. I appreciate that I may not have understood exactly what is intended, but that is my line of questioning.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

Including rape?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

Do you see where I am coming from?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

Are you saying that the specialist court is the High Court or not? We need to be clear about that. Either it is or it is not. If it is not, that means that it is not the senior court. You can disagree with me. I am saying that you cannot put rape cases in a specialist court—well, perhaps that is not the intention. There is obviously a difference between sexual offence cases, which are non-rape cases, and rape cases.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

How is that lawful? I studied law, and I was taught clearly that rape cases are a plea to the Crown and must be heard in the High Court. Is that just a convention?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

I want to flag something up, but I am not sure to whom the question should be directed, so I do not really expect an answer.

The Bonomy reforms have extended sentencing powers to five years in the sheriff court. At the time, Lord Bonomy was clear that that should not debar serious cases from having senior counsel. However, it is now virtually impossible to get senior counsel even for a serious case, because it is not automatic, as it used to be. In contrast, my understanding is that, for cases that go to the High Court, there would automatically be counsel.

I flag to everybody that, if rights of audience are an issue for the new specialist court, it will look as though those crimes are being downgraded. Somebody has to address that question somewhere, if you see where I am coming from. There are lots of complex cases in the sheriff courts that previously, before we changed the sentencing powers, would have gone to the High Court—you can check that with the Faculty of Advocates—and I would be concerned if the rules around rights of audience were to change.

I do not expect an answer, but I wonder whether that could be flagged up to the partners in relation to the strategic review.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

You have made it clear, and your comments were really helpful. I now understand the motivation behind it. Earlier, it sounded as though you were just going to implement the review, but you have made it clear that legislation would be required. That makes complete sense.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

I have two sets of questions. One is around the trial diets, and I have another question for Danielle McLaughlin about the specialist court issue.

Mr Fraser, what is your view on ensuring that rape cases have fixed trial diets as opposed to floating ones? I have dealt with such cases, and I have discussed a couple of them directly with you. One survivor had 13 different first diet dates—from any point of view, that is not acceptable. What would the barriers be to implementing fixed trial diets for rape cases, which would prevent the continual rescheduling of those cases?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Pauline McNeill

You mentioned that the location could be moved, which has triggered a memory for me. One survivor told us that the trial, in what is quite a well-known case, was scheduled to be held in Glasgow—you can correct me if I am wrong—and, two days before the start, it was rescheduled for Livingston. To my mind, thinking about the logistics of getting to Livingston and having no support, that is an absolute no-no. I was really quite horrified to hear that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Pauline McNeill

I will not rehearse all the issues that you have already discussed with other members about drugs in prisons.

Some police officers in Police Scotland have been trained to administer Naloxone. Has any such provision been made in your staffing, and do you think it would be useful for your staff to be trained in administering Naloxone?