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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

Surely there is a big difference between a victims and witnesses commissioner and the children’s commissioner, which does not deal with the court system or the Crown Office. Surely the distinction is that you want to create a commission that cannot interfere with statutory functions. I take your point about the children’s commissioner being able to influence policy—on the definition of “child”, for example—but I do not think that there is a straightforward comparison. We hear from victims about their experiences of long delays, of the failure of the Crown Office and the police to communicate properly and of the court system—the physicality of the court and issues with giving evidence. The bill is trying to deal with all that anyway, through trauma-informed practice and evidence on commission.

I struggle to see what the commissioner will do, other than saying, “Report to me on this,” as you mentioned. The commissioner cannot go beyond that in any way.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

Yes, I understand that.

Dr Chopra, in answer to another member’s question, you talked about aligning psychiatric emergency plans. Will you elaborate on that? That seems to me to be part of the answer. Do you mean aligning staffing as well, or just the plans?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

Does that not call into question the existence of a commissioner—and, I have to say, the excellent work that Victim Support Scotland has done? That organisation is Government funded and has been a champion for victims. It has appeared before the committee on many occasions. Does what you have said not compromise the funding of a third sector organisation that is already effective?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

However, do you not see any compromise having to be made between the roles of a commissioner and of a very effective victims’ organisation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

You have partially covered the question that I was going to ask, but just for the record, you said that there will be a certain element of risk and that the important thing is that we have a system that lets victims tell their stories and that, when they are in court, they can fully voice what happened to them. However, there is a fine line between that and cross-examination. Whatever you think of the system that we have, it is the system that we have and you are not proposing to change its adversarial nature. Have you had any discussions with the profession? Have any concerns been raised with the Government during the passage of the bill about the balance between trauma-informed practice and the process of cross-examination in court?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

It just seems to be a lot slower, from where I am sitting.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

Yes. I am really struggling.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

Yes, I am learning, but, to be candid, it is not fair for the committee to be left with the perception by the Government or the SPS that the timeline just moves all the time. I know that it is complicated, but, up this point, it feels that there is some smoke and mirrors when we try to pin down anything at all on a project that is meant to be a priority. That is all that I am trying to press you on.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Pauline McNeill

Does that mean that the anticipated date of 2026 is not a real date any more? Is that just fluid?