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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I hear what you say. All lessons will be learned and your advice is much appreciated.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

There is funding in the ports and harbours budget line, which, as you will notice, is increasing.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I was keen to have a pilot, but it proved particularly problematic because of last year’s emergency measures. It was very difficult to get financial approval for anything that was new or additional due to the adjustments that had to be made, particularly around the autumn budget. There were other pressures as well.

There are challenges with undertaking pilots. As we know, if you have a pilot then do not continue it, that can cause issues from a passenger perspective.

The bus companies are less than enthusiastic, so—this takes us back to the deputy convener’s point—what leverage we can apply? Currently, there is no provision in the budget for a pilot to cap bus fares, although I would note that the vast majority of the fares in Scotland are under £3.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

We are in the process of procurement for replacing the HSTs, which I announced to the committee at my previous appearance, I think. That is live and current. We will make the decision on that, and the funding that you have identified will support it.

You capture the challenges well. I am keen that my officials work with the rail unions on what the replacements will look like. I have had regular discussions with the unions on what their requirement is.

Whatever fleet is procured, we will certainly see reductions in carbon emissions. That is what is required. It is quite clear that we need to de-risk in terms of where we need to get to by 2045 to meet the overall national targets for carbon emissions. Rail will contribute to that, and 75 per cent of journeys by rail are already decarbonised.

In addition to the work on HSTs—Kevin Stewart’s particular interest being those that serve the north-east—and the other intercity routes, work is progressing on the suburban fleet replacement.

I am conscious of time so I will perhaps just identify the fact that part of our budget helps with the rail infrastructure to assist with the Fife and the Borders decarbonisation projects. There is substantial investment in feeder stations in Thornton in Fife and in Portobello, and we are investing in another feeder station, too. The Haymarket to Dalmeny work has already started, which will help with the decarbonisation of the railway in Fife. I know that that is not Kevin Stewart’s constituency area, but I am giving you an overview of the investment in progressing decarbonisation.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

Decarbonisation is a long-term project. It is not even a three-year timescale; it involves a longer time period. Kerry Twyman might want to comment on how, over the piece, the Scottish Government manages an annual transport budget—obviously, we get annual allocations—when a lot of what we have to consider concerns big-budget issues that must be dealt with over not only the next three years, but the coming five or ten years.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

The business plan will have looked at the different areas of investment is how I would put that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

The modal shift revenue support scheme is not in the budget, but the freight facilities grant is. The freight facilities grant is a larger amount—about £4 million, I think, but I can be corrected—that is for modal shift from road to rail and, potentially, to water as well. It is a bigger amount.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

We have increased funding in the ferries line for a variety of reasons.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

That is one of the challenges in the transport budget—full stop; end of story. Most transport projects are not deliverable year to year; they are long term. If we could get a three-year budget from the UK Government in its spending review, that might provide the opportunity for the Scottish Government to have more longevity in its funding. If that were realisable, it would benefit our portfolio, in particular, and it would benefit lots of other areas, too.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

Yes. In the transport innovation space, I am not sure whether the Aberdeen bid has any joint application for EVIF funding in relation to hydrogen, but I do not think so.

Kevin Stewart makes a good point around perspective. I do not know how I can tie that back to our budget provision, but I will look into the point about permissions and so on in relation to what the challenges are. When I was still a member of the committee, before I became the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, we visited the hydrogen fuelling station and I was interested in the work that has been taking place in Aberdeen. However, I think that I will need to come back to the committee with regard to what strategic work has been done in that area.