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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

Six months ago, you granted to three organisations a funding package for the next two years. Is that correct?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

It does not work. People are telling us that it does not work.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

No, you could have put in place a new scheme by now. Earlier, you talked about the need for clearer thinking on how we can do more. You have had five years to do that thinking. Does Mr Burgess’s department have enough staff? We have not seen the rural support plan. We do not know what is going on. The NFUS is arguing against greening. My understanding is that the good food nation SSIs have now all been pulled. Therefore, do you think that we have a fair point in asking what is going on behind the scenes in relation to future agricultural policy in Scotland?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

It is 17 December, minister. Today, you are coming to me, as a member of this committee, and saying, “Hey, agree this—and if you don’t, we’re really scuppered.” I have got no option. I am being forced into approving a scheme that I do not think is right, with a load of stuff that—as Ariane Burgess has presented—we do not even think is right for the market, but there is nothing that we can do about that because it is too late in the day. It does not sound as though it has been discussed behind the scenes that there might be a huge impact on the Scottish budget if we do not approve the SSI. You are forcing my hand.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

That is not what I am saying.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

The question that I am trying to ask is, why is that not before us now? It has been five years since EU exit. The Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill was passed more than a year ago. We have also still not seen the rural support plan, which I might come on to in a second.

Why are we talking about this scheme now, given that the market has moved on? There is no doubt that the scheme has done great things over its 25 years, but we now need a scheme that brings in everybody, and it is within your powers to do that. You could have scrapped the scheme and brought something else forward. Why are we not talking about that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

In relation to Mr Burgess’s answer, minister, I note that, every time you are before the committee, you comment on something that is going on south of the border and say how much better the Scottish Government is doing compared with the Government south of the border. I do not have information on what is going on south of the border. What matters to me is what is going on in Scotland. The fact is that, here, we do not have information—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

We are going round and round on this, but this is quite an important point, is it not? I was desperately searching the EU regulations, and the original regulations say:

“In order to control Union expenditure, there should be a cap on assistance granted to producer organisations and their associations that establish operational funds.”

I found something else that suggests that it was possible to set an overall cap. It seems quite odd, does it not, that you can have a fund that loads of people can join? I will go away and ask a whole load of questions afterwards, and I am not saying that what I have read is right. However, just for absolute clarity, as you understand it, the budget could be exponential in size, and there is nothing that you can do to stop that—is that right?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

You plucked the 7 per cent figure out of the air in relation to greening.

Let us go back to what we were talking about, though. The fact is that you could have come up with a whole new scheme. Nothing was forcing you to bring forward this scheme. You could have introduced a brand-new scheme that covered all sections of the market and provided proper funding specifically for Scotland. That is true, is it not?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Tim Eagle

My research suggests that it was 1997, which is around 25 years ago. Do you think the market has changed in that time?