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So, they are actual live proceedings in that somebody has been served with a charge.

He is wise! That is not very like a politician.

Do you agree that we did things wrong in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, when large swathes of Galloway, for instance, were planted in Sitka spruce? That was not good for the environment. There was a sort of boundary of native trees to conceal them, but it was really just a great big harvesting crop. I hope that those days have gone. Do you agree?

That alerts the committee to the fact that it might require to take evidence on that matter at stage 2, because that would represent a substantive addition to the bill.

It is just on a point of process, rather than a substantive issue. I take it that the bill is already drafted and ready to go.

You mentioned the timber industry in Scotland. I thought that we had lost it, actually. I think that Mr Burgess is indicating that that is not the case. There are several things that proper afforestation can do for wildlife and the climate, but also for industry. Mr Burgess, can you tell us whether that is part of your thinking about the kind of afforestation that will go ahead?

But you made a face when I said that I thought that we had lost that industry.

Are they processing Sitka spruce or other varieties?

I very much welcome the proposed outright ban on the use of glue traps, because they are the cruellest form of pest control. Why was a similar attitude not taken to the use of snares? I might have got this wrong, but I think that the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission recommended a ban on the use of snares.

Thank you for that clarification.