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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

I will get a badge.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

I have not thought about that point, but my answer off the cuff in thinking about it now is that, no, they could not possibly be present when the activity took place. They would delegate holding the licence to a responsible person, as MSPs do to our staff. However, the buck would eventually stop with the landowner.

The issue is who has their name in the frame at the end of the day. That could be one person or two people. I do not know where “category” comes in.

I will move on to my next amendment before the minister responds. I am beginning to chair the meeting, and I did not mean to do that.

Amendment 161 follows on from that. I heard what was said about victimisation, but there is an element of how people know. This is about exceptions to exceptions. If members of the public or whoever are just swarming about and they see something that should be allowed, how do they know that it should be allowed? They may not know that the area has been licensed for certain pursuits that do not come under the general legislation. On the other hand, they might see something that should not be taking place. There has to be some responsibility there.

Are licences for publicans, for instance, published? I am trying to remember. Is there a list of licensed publicans or a list of licensed taxi drivers somewhere? Are they in the public domain? I appreciate that there might be data protection issues, but there might be ways of dealing with the addresses. Again, I am probing.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

How, therefore, would that category be described in the licence? Would it refer to the farmers of X, Y and Z farms?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

Forgive me, convener, but I am going to have to ponder that for stage 3, as I am not quite satisfied with the explanation. It may be perfectly right, but I need to tease it out and read the detail.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

That would be good. My understanding is that the licence goes to a person or category as the bill stands. Therefore, if the licence is breached, surely the licence holder is liable, notwithstanding the fact that another party is undertaking the physical control. At the end of the day, it is the licence holder who says, “I’m getting a licence, and I’m responsible for what happens under this licence of mine.”

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

We would not know who those were. It could be anybody. It could be somebody who has nothing to do with the landowner.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

I will leave it at that. I will have a big think about the matter again, because I am not sure.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

So, there is a possibility of having a public register.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

This is a wonderful moment for us.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

I will have to, will I not?