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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

Absolutely. I am pleased that the committee, along with Government, is very much focused on the work of HMICS in that regard. If we want the public to continue to have confidence in policing, it is vital that we have robust vetting in place. Vetting is a key strand in providing that assurance. As you would expect, I welcome the “HMICS Assurance review of vetting policy and procedures within Police Scotland” report.

In a broader sense, we are committed to exploring the legislative basis for vetting; I know that officials are talking to Police Scotland, the SPA and HMICS in that regard. Back in 2021, Police Scotland introduced some additional checks for new recruits, which were very welcome. It has also massively increased its vetting resource, by 50 per cent since 2020, with the number of Police Scotland staff who are involved in the area going up from 29 to 50. All that work, which flows from the HMICS report, is under way in Police Scotland to address the recommendations in that report. The SPA will hold Police Scotland regularly to account, and all SPA meetings are in public.

I also take some comfort from what Craig Naylor said last October: that Police Scotland vetting is very good and HMICS thinks that the risks are diminishing every day.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

Where there is an organisational duty, it applies to everybody collectively.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

Sorry?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

I do not have an opinion either way on that, but I am alert to the evidence that the committee has heard that there is, perhaps, a need for an explicit power for the PIRC to do so when appropriate.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

No, not in my time as cabinet secretary.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

The bill enables existing regulations to be revisited under the small number of enabling powers that it includes; it is an amending bill that provides the opportunity for that to be done, particularly where secondary legislation is required. Ms Dowey and other committee members will be aware that police conduct regulations are all contained in secondary legislation and have been for many years. The appropriate parts of the bill provide an opportunity to revisit current procedures and policies in consultation with organisations, such as the Scottish police consultative forum. The bill provides the vehicle for that, as opposed to me inadvertently stepping into Police Scotland’s operational matters.

It is important to remember that Police Scotland is directly accountable to the Scottish Police Authority, because of the separation of powers. The Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012 is crafted to ensure that. Perhaps officials want to add something at this point.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

The bill is about fairness of process, and about the aspects of processes that require to be independent. We have to be fair to all parties. The Parliament and the Government have obligations to uphold the European convention on human rights, which means that we have to be fair to people who are making a complaint and to those people about whom the complaint is made.

On your broader point about ingrained culture, Dame Elish Angiolini accurately said that cultural changes do not happen overnight and, if they do, they will not be sustained. We need to be committed to the journey, for now and for the longer term. Do I think that culture is changing? Yes, I do. That is in part because of the work that Police Scotland does on diversity and inclusion and because of how the organisation is moving forward to actively tackle racism and misogyny.

Monitoring, accountability and auditing processes have improved in the PIRC, Police Scotland and the Scottish Police Federation. We have a much more robust package now, but we need to continue that journey and the bill is part of that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

If I have understood you correctly, you are asking whether there is a 12-month limit for the PIRC to investigate or continue proceedings with regard to people who are no longer serving senior officers. Officials will correct me if I am wrong, but that is not actually in the bill. It is an issue of practice on which guidance has been made public—the PIRC has shared that—with regard to the fact that there are times when it needs to make decisions on what is in the public interest with regard to pursuing matters. However, that is a very high-level answer. Steven Bunch might want to add to that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

I would argue that the bill is needed.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Angela Constance

I would argue that the bill is needed—otherwise I would not be doing it.