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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

Yes, that is a Government decision. I was talking about when Opposition members lodge amendments to a bill. As a hypothetical example, I might look at an amendment and say, “Well, that’s got nothing to do with this bill—that’s not the bill’s purpose”, but which amendments are accepted for debate, either at stage 2 or at stage 3, is not my decision.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

Before I hand over to officials, I will briefly say that the purpose of all the work, whether it is the work that has been done with Police Scotland, the independent review by the various inspection bodies or the work of the national strategic group, is to give us a better understanding of the harms that are current and present to our children right here, right now, and of how that threat is evolving. Those inquiries might lead to further work and the establishment of a public inquiry, because we have an open mind and every option will be considered.

With regard to the detail of the review, Iona Colvin or Andrew Watson might want to start.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

That is not a position that I would have wished for.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

I can take that back to colleagues to reflect on it. With the greatest respect, I am not going to develop policy or interventions on the hoof in committee, and without engaging with colleagues, in particular with those colleagues who lead on much of this work. I accept that there is always a risk that shared responsibility can mean diluted responsibility, but I do not believe that that is the case in either justice or education. We work closely together; we have distinct roles in all of this, and I am very clear about those roles, as are Ms Gilruth and other colleagues, but we work together on it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

I am respectful of your position, Mr Briggs, although I point out that I am not a regional MSP; I am the MSP for Almond Valley—a constituency MSP.

I genuinely looked at the professor’s letter, which said that the quote was accurate and that she wanted clarification. Clearly, I wanted the matter addressed, but not to my satisfaction; I wanted it addressed to the professor’s satisfaction.

Officials liaised with the professor and discussed with her the course of action that she wanted to take. I was content with that. Under no circumstances was that a process that I was going to interfere with.

The minutes of that important strategic group are very public. Clearly, they are scrutinised and read—as they should be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

No—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

It is the only time that I recall.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

The quote was accurate—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

—and, of course, Professor Jay exercises her right, which I absolutely respect, in providing additional context to it. She was seeking clarity—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

As Mr Kidd says, child protection is led by my colleagues in education. However, it is a cross-Government endeavour in the same way that we have a cross-Government mission to tackle child poverty, for example. Every minister has a responsibility for the protection of children, which cuts across justice, housing, education and transport, and that is not an exhaustive list.

For my part, in relation to justice, it is about the detection and disruption of behaviour. Police Scotland is currently looking at past and present cases of interest that relate to group-based abuse and the exploitation of children and vulnerable adults. That work is particularly important and it is something that I hold dear.