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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Roz McCall

Thank you, convener. I have no relevant interests.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Roz McCall

That is very helpful. Thank you.

Erica, what are your comments on the point about being risk averse or risk aware, and on the leadership and management issues?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Roz McCall

Yes—I am happy with that. I know that it is a big question.

Glasgow City Council has highlighted that there are barriers in leadership and management as regards how that long-term funding process would take place. It falls back on the risk-averse processes that we all work under. I get it that your funding process is very much risk aware, but Government and local government are very risk averse. We have to follow the public pound and be accountable to taxpayers. It is a different set of requirements rather than an auditing requirement. Is long-term funding possible?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Roz McCall

That is lovely. I will give you longer than 30 seconds to think about it.

Neil, you say in your submission that long-term funding may limit funders’ ability to quickly address unexpected crises when they happen. Given that we are looking at the whole process and how Government structures consider long-term funding, will you explain that crisis problem a little more and say how a Government structure could get around that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Roz McCall

Yes—and who delivers it.

I see that Tobias Jung wants to come back in.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Roz McCall

That is very helpful. Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Roz McCall

I have really enjoyed being on this committee. Thank you very much, convener, and thank you to everybody for helping me. We have looked at some really interesting topics over the past year and I am sorry to be leaving, but I thank you very much for putting that on the record, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Roz McCall

This has been an incredibly interesting session. I am going to go back a little, if that is okay, because the theme that I want to ask about is the benefits and challenges of long-term funding. We have heard a lot about the benefits of such approaches but, again, this is all about teasing things out. The fact is that, when it comes to being risk aware or risk averse, local authorities and the Government are very much on the risk-averse side rather than the risk-aware side. It is just in our nature. It therefore does not surprise me that Glasgow City Council highlights in its submission certain major concerns about all of this.

I will come to you first, Professor Jung, on that juxtaposition, because you mentioned that relationship. Given that the issue is systemic and that that is how Government works, will it be difficult to turn that tanker? How can we move from a risk-averse process to a risk-aware process in a Government structure? How do we look at funding in that way, considering the concerns and challenges that Glasgow City Council puts across in its submission?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Roz McCall

That is excellent. Karin, I will come to you to get your opinion on that issue, and I will give Erica a chance to comment, too. The Government has restrictions and we know that we have to go back to the public pound and be accountable to taxpayers, so is long-term funding possible?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Roz McCall

Thank you, convener. I apologise for doing this at the end. I had a rural internet hiccup at the worst possible time, when we were voting on amendment 58 just before the break, and I have been trying to come in ever since. Basically, I was put down as having not voted, due to the problem with the internet connection, but I would like to put on record the fact that I would have voted against amendment 58. I apologise for the lack of internet support.