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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 December 2024
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

I do not know the answer to that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

The fees structure is intended to cover just the costs, and, where reduced inspections are required, that means a reduced cost. The fees are not a money-making mechanism. If we have to use fewer resources doing fewer checks, we do not need to charge as much.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

Again, I will give you a general overview and then officials can come in with more detail.

The statutory instrument and the fees relate only to high-risk products that are commercially imported in large quantities for business interests. One plant in a person’s hand luggage is not a high-risk product—it is low risk. Checks on low-risk products have been delayed by another 18 months. The legislation is specifically about high-risk products. It is about commercial things—imports that we know about that we can the trace through the country. It is about ensuring that they are right. We can, of course, check up to 100 per cent of them; in fact, the default fee is for a 100 per cent check. If, for example, as Caspian Richards said, there were woody products that posed a very high risk, checks of up to 100 per cent could be done, because such materials can be traced. If there is a lower risk, the number of checks can be lowered on the basis of the risk assessment.

I do not know whether my officials want to add anything to that.

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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

I will you give my layperson’s interpretation, and officials can come in with technical details if I miss anything. Due to Brexit, it is now necessary to do these checks on all high-risk products coming from the EU in addition to those coming from the rest of the world. Therefore, these checks aim to bring how we treat products from the EU into alignment with how we treat products from the rest of the world. Obviously, the Scottish Government did not wish for Brexit to happen or for these checks to be necessary, but it is important that we have alignment between how we handle products from the EU and how we handle products from the rest of the world. England and Wales have already put in place such a risk-based scheme.

The EU scheme, which, of course, is what would have been used to check these products as they came into the EU is also a risk-based scheme. Therefore, it is the same principle and the same structure of scheme, but we must now bring that into Scottish legislation.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

Again, I will give you the layperson’s view, and officials can come in with the details. The new regime involves the same kind of risk profiling as the existing scheme. As plants come in, we have to check that they are the correct plants, as identified, that they are healthy and that they are not bringing in pathogens. Risk assessments will be based on what we grow here, what pathogens might spread in the UK and what might create risks for our crops and commercial interests. My officials might like to add some detail.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

I will refer to my officials on that one.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

That is an excellent question. If you were one of the 3 per cent chosen to have your truck full of potatoes checked, it would be unfair if you had to pay the fee, because those checks are done randomly, so the costs are spread around the sector. For each individual consignment, the cost is spread across the whole sector so that the fees are fair and the person whose individual consignment is chosen is not unfairly penalised.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

Thank you for making time to consider the Plant Health (Fees) (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2022, which is a draft Scottish statutory instrument. The regulations are being made to amend Scottish legislation in the field of plant health, particularly as it relates to fees payable by an importer of a consignment originating in a third country in respect of the physical and identity checks of plants and plant products.

The import fees are being amended as a consequence of a new Great Britain-focused risk-based frequency-of-checks regime that is being introduced across GB from 22 July 2022. The new methodology is set out in the statutory instrument PH/038. The revised fees apply to consignments of all high-risk products that are imported from all third countries as well as lower-risk regulated products from all third countries except the European Union, Liechtenstein and Switzerland.

The regulations also amend the Plant Health (Fees) (Forestry) (England and Scotland) Regulations 2015. The forestry fees regulations contain provisions relating to export certification fees for forestry products under the United Kingdom Government’s movement assistance scheme, to provide that such fees are not payable in relation to exports from Scotland to Northern Ireland in certain circumstances. The movement assistance scheme was originally scheduled to end in December 2022, but the UK Government later extended the scheme, which is now due to end in December 2023. The 2022 regulations amend the forestry fees regulations to reflect that later date. These regulations are therefore necessary and appropriate.

My officials and I are happy to take any questions.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

It is not a matter of deficiencies in the existing scheme. The EU scheme was based on risks for the EU. Now, we are bringing in this legislation at a GB level—the fees are related to Scotland, but the SI is at a GB level. Therefore, with regard to the risk assessment, although the methodology is very similar, the risks that we face in GB are different from the risks that are faced by the EU. For example, there are many citrus fruit growers in the EU. We do not grow citrus fruits in the UK, so the risk assessment on those products would be different in GB. It is not a matter of efficiencies; it is a matter of making appropriate checks for the risks that we have here.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Lorna Slater

Yes—citrus fruits are a practical example. My officials can give you more examples. We do not grow citrus fruit crops in the UK because we do not have a commercial interest in them, so importing citrus plants, for example, would not present a risk to our commercial agriculture. Those would be considered a lower-risk product, whereas products that we grow here as part of our commercial agriculture would be considered a higher risk. We do not need the same level of checks on citrus plants as a country that grows them as a commercial product.