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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Lorna Slater

Do you take on cases like the ombudsman does, whereby you can give individual redress when something has gone wrong?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Lorna Slater

I will do a bit of context setting to make sure that I have got my head round this. The committee is looking at the broader landscape of all the SPCB supported bodies. No one has said that you would end up with this landscape if you started with nothing. It has grown organically, so we are aware that there are overlaps and gaps.

Some of the bodies have been created as a result of scandals, failures in public services or failures in the conduct of public servants, in order to try to fix an urgent or immediate problem. I think that it was the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman—my colleagues can keep me right—who said that she is frustrated that she is only allowed to react to complaints that she had received, and that she was not allowed to do broader preventative work. She may have had complaints from several hundred people about specific councils, but she could only investigate those councils: she could not then broaden out her investigation to all councils in Scotland. There might have been a systemic issue, but she is not allowed to do that. She is frustrated by that limitation.

The Public Services Ombudsman deals with individual cases; however, if I understand it correctly, your situation is almost the mirror image of that. You deal with broad systemic investigation and reporting, but without doing advocacy or individual case support, because that is not your remit and it is not your job to do that.

I have a couple of questions about that. All those public bodies seem to have a structure that is in a preventative space—preventing harm from public services and proactively making sure that institutions get the right advice so that they handle data correctly and so that politicians behave themselves. Then there is the reactive work, which is about saying, “Okay, something has gone wrong”, when, for example, patients have been hurt or people who are in detention have had their rights disrespected. How do we fix that problem?

Some of the bodies do a mix of those things and some do one or the other, but the Scottish Human Rights Commission does specifically preventative work. As we reimagine the landscape because of the proliferation of commissioners, can we reimagine the SHRC as one large body that has both a preventative role and reactive role? Could the reporters of such a larger body be responsible for both the wider investigative systemic look and advocacy? Can we imagine a structure that would encompass all those things in order to look after human rights in Scotland, rather than having your rather narrow remit?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Lorna Slater

It is lovely to see you all here. I think that I have spoken to most of you before in other contexts, but it is my first time meeting Karen Meechan. Thank you for coming along.

One of the challenges that we have as a nation is getting businesses aligned with Government priorities on things such as—I am going to use all the terrible buzz phrases—a circular economy, a wellbeing economy, net zero and becoming nature positive. I would love to hear from you how well your members understand what those things mean for their businesses. Are they just meaningless buzz phrases? Are they things that your members understand and are able to implement? If not, how can we can help to ensure that that is the case?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Lorna Slater

Do businesspeople say, “Right, team, we’re going to do the circular economy,” or do you have conversations in which you say, “We’re going to insulate our warehouse,” “We’re going to buy electric vehicles,” or, “We’re going to see what we can do with this byproduct”?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Lorna Slater

Is it my go?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Lorna Slater

The interesting conversation is about what businesses need, if science says that we have to do X, in order to get there. What is realistic for them?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you, convener. My question is directed primarily to Tony Rodgers, because Nathalie Agnew, who talked about B corps, Claire Mack, who works in renewables, and Jane Wood, who pointed out that housing is highly regulated, all live within our bubble a bit. I am an electrical and mechanical engineer by trade, and I have spent many happy hours shining a little penlight down a fibre optic cable and shouting, “I’ve lit number 1. Which one’s coming up?”, so I get what you do and why it is important.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Lorna Slater

What do terms such as “wellbeing economy”, “net zero” and “nature positive” mean to you, as a typical successful Scottish businessman? Do they mean anything to you? Do Scottish businesses know what they mean? Do you know what role you play in all that, or is it all just opaque?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Lorna Slater

That is a really interesting approach. Targets are set on the basis of—